Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

Zelenski says Russia Ukraine war will end quicker when Trump gets in to office

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Nov 16, 2024.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. tampajack1

    tampajack1 Premium Member

    9,628
    1,623
    2,653
    Apr 3, 2007
    Trump could care less if every Ukrainian and Russian were dead.
     
  2. gator_jo

    gator_jo GC Hall of Fame

    1,827
    238
    193
    Aug 9, 2024
    Shhh. They don't like reality.

    I think they think we should have inserted 20,000 troops for a few months, in order to withdraw everyone successfully?
     
  3. vegasfox

    vegasfox GC Hall of Fame

    2,042
    171
    103
    Feb 4, 2024
    You're being foolish. This article from Moon of Alabama debunks the NY Times and the Biden administration for "lying through their teeth." Keep in ming Ukraine was preparing to invade the Donbas with tens of thousands of troops in March. Zelensky has admitted this. How many more Russian-speakers would have been slaughtered then?

    February 20, 2024 (4 days before war began):
    Ukraine - Who Is Firing At Whom And Who Is Lying About It?
    The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe has an observer mission along the line of control between the government and rebel side in south east Ukraine.

    It reports that on Friday the number of ceasefire violations around the rebellious Donbas region of Ukraine had again nearly doubled:

    • In Donetsk region, the SMM recorded 591 ceasefire violations, including 553 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 222 ceasefire violations in the region.
    • In Luhansk region, the Mission recorded 975 ceasefire violations, including 860 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 648 ceasefire violations
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/02/ukraine-who-is-firing-at-whom-and-who-is-lying-about-it.html

    Observations of ceasefire violations were made by the OSCE:

    The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) is a regional security-oriented intergovernmental organization comprising member states in Europe, North America, and Asia. Its mandate includes issues such as arms control, the promotion of human rights, freedom of the press, and free and fair elections. It employs around 3,460 people, mostly in its field operations but also in its secretariat in Vienna, Austria, and its institutions.[3] It has observer status at the United Nations
    Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe - Wikipedia
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2024
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  4. vegasfox

    vegasfox GC Hall of Fame

    2,042
    171
    103
    Feb 4, 2024
    Zelensky's been threatening to hit Russia with nuclear weapons since before the US presidential election. He claims he can manufacture them in a few months.

    Biden authorized Ukraine to attack deeper inside Russia with US missiles.

    Zelensky is delusional. His generals tried to tell him how dire the battlefield situation is but he wouldn't listen. Now they just lie to him, not telling him how bad things really are.

    The US has a plan to hold elections in Ukraine and replace Zelensky with General Zaluzhnyi. The thinking is that Zaluzhnyi would be more agreeable to a ceasefire

    Some elements in the US Deep State don't want Trump to get a big win in Ukraine or Israel and want to prolong the conflicts.

    With all that's going on why would Putin want to make a deal? He's winning on the battlefield and still has threats to eliminate.
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2024
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  5. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    8,904
    1,083
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    I’m not sure which of the two idiots I have blocked that you’re responding to, but it was well documented in the news and White House briefings that we had Intel that Russia was planning to invade a month before they did. Any claims of supposed attacks, even if true, had nothing to do with Russia invading.
     
  6. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,209
    1,157
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Moon of Alabama. Not a credible source.

    Overall, we rate Moon of Alabama Left as Biased and questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories, the use of poor sources, false claims, and a lack of transparency.
    If there were shells fired at Russian speakers before Russia invaded, where's the physical evidence? Hit buildings? Human casualties? Holes in the ground? Etc?
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  7. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

    88,949
    26,791
    4,613
    Apr 3, 2007
    There is chatter about Biden okaying the use of American made long range missiles for the Ukrainians to use against Russia, and Putin as threatening to escalate the war... Is that true? Is that Biden doing this, or some rogue NATO general?
     
  8. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

    126,068
    57,322
    114,663
    Apr 3, 2007
    Clermont, Fl
  9. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

    88,949
    26,791
    4,613
    Apr 3, 2007
    It's just crazy to think how insane the Leftist are about what it would mean to start a real war with Russia. They think it's a quick way to ___ fill in the blank, because I can't think of one good reason to want a war with any country, let alone one with thousands of nukes.
     
  10. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

    88,949
    26,791
    4,613
    Apr 3, 2007
    Wait... is this done by another "fact checking" site, Bill? Virtually all of them have been debunked as propaganda organizations. But maybe his site is accurate? I'll have to see it to believe it. I just hope his not friends with governor BJ Pritzker, because he's a very strange man.

    So, the owner of Moon of Alabama is David Van Zandt that went to: David Van Zandt is an American attorney, legal scholar, and academic administrator. He served as president of The New School from Jan. 2011 to Apr. 15, 2020.[1] Earlier he served as Dean of Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law, from 1995 to 2011.[2][3] He has taught courses in international financial markets, business associations, property, practical issues in business law, and legal realism. He is an expert in business associations, international business transactions, property law, jurisprudence, law and social science, and legal education.[4]
     
  11. gaterzfan

    gaterzfan GC Hall of Fame

    1,893
    384
    1,713
    Feb 6, 2020
    Wonder if he’s related to Ronnie.

     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  12. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

    88,949
    26,791
    4,613
    Apr 3, 2007
    Lol... they spell their last names differently.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,436
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    The admin is a retired German tank commander. It is ruled as not a credible source … by what credible source ?

    I loved his brilliant compilation of all the times Russia was about to run out of missiles.
     
  14. vegasfox

    vegasfox GC Hall of Fame

    2,042
    171
    103
    Feb 4, 2024
    Moon of Alabama is a premier source of info and an amazing debunked of Deep State propaganda.

    The info Moon of Alabama cited came from the OSCE, which is a credible source.
    OSCE was the source for the artillery fire, not Moon of Alabama. Try debunking the OSCE reports. Good luck.

    Moon of Alabama linked to the OSCE reports in the article I posted.

    Your Media Bias/Fact Check site is as credible as Ann Selzer's final Iowa poll. Read like it was written by a dumb 8th grader.


    Moon of Alabama is considered a must- read by Scott Ritter, Arnaud Bertrand, Robert Barnes, Swiss geopolitical analyst Jacques Baud, Big Serge on X,, Max Blumentjal. Alex Mercouris (of The Duran, the #1 foreign policy podcast in the world. Too Hot's duggers_dad reads it. Of course if you want to believe Biden administration and MSM narratives the blog is not for you.

    From a more credible evaluator:

    Influence and Impact On Political Discourse
    Moon of Alabama is renowned for being a thought-provoking platform that frequently steers conversations within political circles. Its incisive analysis and often contrarian viewpoints have earned it a following among those who seek alternative perspectives to mainstream media narratives...


    The influence of the blog is evidenced by its ability to bring attention to underreported issues, reshaping the agenda of political discourse and encouraging a more diverse dialogue. Its global reach means that policymakers, journalists, and political enthusiasts worldwide may be among its audience, potentially affecting their perceptions and discussions.
    https://designconundrum.com/moon-of-alabama-blog/#influence-and-impact-on-political-discourse

    So you want to see artillery shells and blown up buildings? In areas where fighting has gone on ever since the US toppled the democratically elected president of Ukraine a decade ago? What would that prove? Not much, especially to you.
     
  15. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,209
    1,157
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Is this the same OSCE that claims there is no credible evidence of widespread violence in the Donbass region against Russian speakers, Feb 2022?

    Again, how much is the Kremlin paying you?
     
  16. AzCatFan

    AzCatFan GC Hall of Fame

    12,209
    1,157
    1,618
    Apr 9, 2007
    Or maybe you are referring to the OSCE that condemns the Russian invasion of Ukraine, demands an end to the war immediately, and for Russia to, "respect the country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders."
     
  17. vegasfox

    vegasfox GC Hall of Fame

    2,042
    171
    103
    Feb 4, 2024
    Could you quote what the OSCE said and when they said it. "Feb 2022" doesn't cut it. What day in Feb did they say what exactly? The artillery shelling by Ukraine started Feb 16, 2022.

    Your non-credible Fact Check site says Russia entered Ukraine Feb 21, 2022. The actual date was Feb 24, 2022. That was a sloppy error.

    Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire when they signed Minsk 2. They violated that and launched thousands of artillery shells at the Russian-speakers in 8 days. I don't think they were targeting empty fields.
     
  18. vegasfox

    vegasfox GC Hall of Fame

    2,042
    171
    103
    Feb 4, 2024
    Ukraine didn't adhere to the Minsk 2 agreement that they signed. They attacked the Russian-speakers so Russia came to their defense under Article 61 of the UN Charter.

    Article 51 was cited by the US when it bombed "Russia's little brother" Serbia for 78 days to make it recognize the independence of Kosovo.

    In other words, the US set the precedent for Russia to invade Ukraine.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  19. CHFG8R

    CHFG8R GC Hall of Fame

    6,114
    551
    393
    Apr 24, 2007
    St. Augustine, FL
    Or theirs.
     
  20. CHFG8R

    CHFG8R GC Hall of Fame

    6,114
    551
    393
    Apr 24, 2007
    St. Augustine, FL
    If he does, then you know he's compromised. My guess is that Trump will want to be seen as the "winner", which means he'll want both to bend the knee. To what degree, respectively, is the question.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.