Zelenski agrees to minerals deal (fell through)

a temporary cease fire and a bunch of plutonium tea served at the favorite restaurants in Kyiv?

 

C-U-L-T. whatever he says, they believe, no matter how preposterous

 

Ukraine could probably get a temporary cease fire agreement with Russia anytime they want, but it would mean giving up their terrority and allowing Russia to really dig in ... and it would last until the next time Putin decides to attack... nothing in it for them to give up their mining interests.

 

other than US support, which the EU may have to replace if dt really wants to go scorched earth. I just don't know if the EU has the logistics machine in place even if they can fund it with russian money.

 

The Breitbart article in the OP stated that:

"The initial document — a 'framework agreement' is relatively light on detail but sets the stage for future negotiations on the finer points, including the size of America’s stake in the fund and how joint ownership will work."

Was Breitbart implying that it has a copy of this framework agreement or just reporting on what they've been told? I am assuming if there are drafts, they haven't been made public?

 

Although I don't want to sound like a pessimist if Trump performs according to form Taiwan is SOL. As far as South Korea is concerned it may very well be on the way to developing its own nuclear weapons since it's becoming obvious that under Trump the US can no longer be considered a reliable ally. The same may also apply to Japan. It's also not beyond the realm of probability that in Europe Poland, Sweden and Germany could end up doing the same.

 

EU provides security guarantees, give US contracts for out of country logistics supplies in the event that guaratnees are needed.

Ukraine get security
EU takes blood risk
Risk is mitigated by logistics backstop that is paid for by EU with a cap. Got to have deal for DT to think he won. Weapons at 20% dt tariff upcharge to throw the dog a bone??
EU holds that amount (cost of 2 year war??) out of Russian holdings to be returned with interest in increments beginning at year 10 with full reimbursement at year 20

Russia would never agree to it though. They will never agree to anything that stops them from invading Ukraine again. The sooner that is realized, the better for Ukraine

 

do you mean this pinky promise ? The one signed by Bill Clinton ?

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

Bill Clinton: My nuke deal to blame for Russia's invasion of Ukraine

 

I do find it a bit rich when someone describes a cult as someone who parrot and agrees with trump. Yet when presented with data such as Biden told everyone the border is secure. He’s doing all he can do and his hands are tied while women and kids are trafficked….for 4 years… day and night. Then within mere 3 weeks of Biden leaving office all Of that is reversed…….. you have coyotes themselves saying business is down 90%, CBS stating because of Trump crackdown the border crossings are down to multi decade lows and cartels themselves admitting they are afraid of where to sleep. But someone who voted for Trump is a cultists?? Yeah. That’s a little rich .

trump gets 90 Days to see what he can do vs 3 year war with prior Admin


NBC’s Gutierrez: Coyote Told Me Trump’s Policies Caused His Business to Decline About 80% Since Inauguration - NewsBreak

Amid Trump crackdown, illegal border crossings plunge to levels not seen in decades

Mexican cartel members claim fear of Trump. Don't believe it | Opinion

 

yes. and now dt is proposing another pinky promise just like that one. that was a toothless deal that left ukraine exposed. should they agree to another stupid deal to be exposed again?

at least clinton can admit he was wrong

the next time dear leader admits he was wrong will be the first time. what does that tell you about someone that can never ever admit they are wrong about anything?

 

Here's a story from the New York Post (not times) which details what may have led, or at least supported, Zelensky's decision to walk back on the "deal" which the Trump Administration felt had been reached through weeks of negotiations.

At first, I was upset that both Pres. Trump and V.P. Vance treated a guest inappropriately. But now as I've listened to more than just snippets of the media coverage of the entire 45 minute meeting that went to Hell and as I begin to see what opposition the Democrats were brewing even before Zelensky arrived at the White House, I am coming to the conclusion that Senator Murphy and many of his Democratic colleagues aren't acting in the best interests of the U.S., the very thing they've accused Pres. Trump of.

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine
off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal
by Michael Goodwin -- NEW YORK POST 3/1/2025

A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.

Actually, the Ukrainian President did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

The meeting, as the world now knows, quickly went off the rails and ended with Trump angrily ejecting the arrogant ingrate from the White House.

The earlier meeting with Dems undercuts wild claims that Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance staged an ambush. In fact, it was Zelensky who came with an ulterior motive.

The purpose of the meeting was to sign the mineral agreement he and Trump representatives had negotiated. He had twice refused to sign it after promising to, and thanks to Murphy, we now know he had no intention of signing it Friday.

By listening to the nakedly partisan advice of Dems instead of dealing forthrightly with the current president, Zelensky betrayed his countrymen and, for now at least, leaves them without the military and diplomatic protection that only America can provide.

Good luck counting on Britain, France and the rest of Europe to save Ukraine. Maybe the Germans will send strudel.

In a perverse way, Murphy and other Dems got the outcome they wanted. The fireworks at the White House gave them an excuse to replay their Russia Russia Russia hoax.

Once again, they and their media handmaidens are dishonestly insisting that Trump is in Vladimir Putin’s camp.

Like the original Russia hoax that consumed much of Trump’s first term, Russia 2.0 is born of political desperation. After months of not knowing how to respond to Trump’s fast, populist start to his second term, Dems up and down the food chain decided that the President’s refusal to write a blank check to Zelensky and pledge a military guarantee amounts to a gift to Putin.

Desperate for Relevance

The logic is twisted beyond description, but any port in a storm will do. And with Trump off to the fastest start of any president in modern history, Dems are desperate to be relevant.

It’s a mark of their bad judgment that Zelensky is their new hero. He and they have zero chance of persuading tapped-out Americans that an open-ended commitment of their tax dollars and possibly sending troops to Ukraine is sensible.

Certainly Trump supporters didn’t vote for that, and the president himself campaigned on bringing the war to a fast end, not sending our army to fight Russians.

He made it repeatedly clear for three years that he viewed Joe Biden’s strategy of providing just enough support for Ukraine to keep the war going without any plan for victory as a fool’s errand.

He has also been consistent about his desire to stop the enormous loss of life on both sides and the destruction of Ukrainian cities and towns.

Despite the fact that the President made foolish comments two weeks ago suggesting Ukraine started the war, I am convinced Trump truly wants peace. He is not afraid to use the military, but he is not a warmonger.

To that end, he and his White House came up with the minerals plan that he called a first step to a cease-fire.

The plan went through several drafts and the latest would have America and Ukraine form a partnership to mine the eastern European nation’s plentiful rare earth deposits, with much of the proceeds going to help rebuild Ukraine.

Zelensky, who privately agreed to the terms, has every right to demand a security agreement — up to a point. But he didn’t get one, and his decision to respond by insulting the President and vice president, interrupting them and waving off their responses, was madness.

As Trump noted, the heated jabs made for great television, but it was a disaster for Ukraine and a gift to Putin.

Zelensky had an opportunity to apologize to Trump in a later interview with Brett Baier on Fox, but repeatedly refused to do so, saying “I’m not sure we did something bad.”

Add ignorance to his list of flaws.

Unfortunately for him, there is an audience egging him on. Beyond Washington Dems, the European Union’s top diplomat, Kaja Kallas, wrote on social media that “the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge. We stand by Ukraine.”

Sure, Europe stands by Ukraine — and will continue to stand by as it gets carved up by Putin’s war machine.

"Ukraine is Our Ally"

Murphy and other Dems are no better, celebrating Zelensky’s stupendous failure as if it were a victory. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer wrote that “Trump and Vance are doing Putin’s dirty work” and the always repellent Sen. Adam Schiff called Trump a “coward.”

New York’s daffy Governor, Kathy Hochul, who seems to pick a daily fight with Trump, added her two cents, saying “Ukraine is our ally. Putin is not. It’s not complicated... This President may not stand with democracy, but we will.”

Oh, please. Hochul can’t even keep the peace on New York’s crime-ridden streets.

Meanwhile, Zelensky’s rejection of the mineral deal means there will be no American interests and businesses in Ukraine, which, as Trump repeatedly said, would help deter Russian attacks.

Moreover, Trump said a final settlement would require Putin to return some of the lands he has taken, and that France, Great Britain and others likely would station peace-keeping troops in Ukraine.

All that should have given Zelensky more than enough confidence to go forward, or at least to raise any concerns in private. Instead, he used a friendly meeting in front of the press to complain that no agreement was sufficient without an American security guarantee, despite being told repeatedly none would be included in the minerals deal.

 

Zelensky says Trump better get serious or else he might not find time to come back to the US.

 

You can tell when poster knows he's lost the Zelenski/Ukraine debate..... he switched to the "whatabout the Biden border".

 

Said it another post, Trump deserves credit for the drop in illegal crossings at the Southern border and as I also said that will in no way offset the damage that he is doing to the economy or to national security.

 

Crazy MAGA-type election deniers actually believe Russia would give up (or be driven out of) its new territories.

 

If Trump was president in 1941 he would have urged Churchill to enter into a peace agreement with Hitler and probably would have pointed out that the massive damage to London and other sites in the UK from the bombing by the Luftwaffe and resulting British deaths could have been avoided if Churchill had agreed to a peace treaty in 1940.
Hitler offers Britain 'peace or destruction' - (1940) UPI Archives

 

Apparently, Bill Clinton was overly optimistic that Russia would comply with international norms. Clinton, G.W. Bush and Obama were all naive. Trump on the other hand has been bought and paid for by Vladimir.

By the way Trump keep mentioning that under his first administration we provided Ukraine with Javelin missiles. You thank the vote in Congress with over 90 Senators and over 400 members of the Republican majority House of Representatives voting for the aid may have been a factor. Keep in mind that in July 2016 the Trump campaign killed a plank in the Republican platform calling for lethal aid to Ukraine.
From 2016
In a shift, Republican platform doesn't call for arming Ukraine against Russia, spurring outrage

 

OP misread quotation rules of 4 paragraphs. He thought it said limit quotes to 40 paragraphs. Honest mistake. Much like the OP itself.

 

Please edit your quote from the story to just four paragraphs

and, actually, this should be part of the main meeting thread.

 

It was a sweet 40 paragraphs though.

I bet OP could do wonders with justifying Trump trying to overturn a presidential election.