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Zelenski agrees to minerals deal (fell through)

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Feb 26, 2025 at 6:53 PM.

  1. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

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    1. Zelensky is not a dictator; he was democratically elected. It is against the Ukrainian constitution to hold elections during war. Ukraine’s parliament literally just passed a resolution affirming this. Ukraine parliament affirms no elections during wartime under martial law

    2. There will never be nukes in Ukraine again so this is a non-issue. And you’re going to have provide a link for your claim that Starmer wants nukes in Ukraine. Sounds like more completely made up BS from you.

    3. “The Ukrainians obtained their independence by agreeing to give over their nuclear arsenal to Russia.” More blatant lies from you. Ukraine declared independence on 8/24/1991. The Belovehza Accords dismantling the USSR was signed on 12/8/1991. The Budapest Memorandum was signed on 12/5/1994 which made Ukraine and two other countries signatories to the Non-Proliferation Nuclear treaty which had everything to do with limiting the spread of nuclear weapons and nothing to do with Ukraine being an independent country.
     
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  2. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

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    You keep falling prey to biased bullshit. Zelenskyy met with a bipartisan group of senators. Coming out of the bipartisan meeting this was Lindsay Graham’s take:
     
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  3. gatormonk

    gatormonk GC Hall of Fame

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    For informational purposes and discussion.
     
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  4. gator_jo

    gator_jo GC Hall of Fame

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    You post outright lies into the debate, and lies from a proven Russian shill at that. This can only be to promote the viewpoints of the liars you support, not for "informational and discussion purposes."

    Here's your informational discussion though; stop posting the lies from clearly documented liars who are lying for Russia.
     
  5. PITBOSS

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    Agree. We don’t want US by itself promising to defend Ukraine with US troops etc if Russia attacks.
    it would seem better to be part of a broader peace plan. Russia/ Ukraine agree to peace/compromise. And possibly set up a buffer zone which EU is responsible to ensure. Which I believe they are agreeable to.
     
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  7. jjgator55

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    Well the source is a right wing rag that called Zelenskyy an “arrogant ingrate” so you can’t give it too much credibility. Further there was no negotiated contract, just a list of demands where Putin gets everything he wanted, Trump’s donors get 50%of the mineral rights, and Ukraine gets nothing. From what I can glean is the Democrats were merely advising Zelenskyy that it was a bad deal, not negotiating.
     
  8. jjgator55

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    Trump is setting the U.S. up to never have any support for anything from anyone as long as he’s President. Under Trump the United States will have to go it alone.
     
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  9. PITBOSS

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    yep. The irony is Trump might have had his promised peace if he involved Europe. They help with some of the heavy lifting (buffer zone), we provide air defense armaments. Ukraine agrees to a mining deal.
     
  10. gatorrob87

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    Well after threatening Canada and Denmark/ Greenland with hostile takeover, err, I mean statehood, there’s a perfect solution staring Trump in the face. Just make Ukraine a state and keep Zel as a governor he can berate like that one from Maine. We then get the minerals for free and Ukraine gets protection. Just remind Val the Putin that we already are his neighbors to the west with Alaska so what could go wrong? We will even keep those nasty Nazis at bay for him and protect him from Estonia or some other piss ant country.
    You’re welcome!
    (And Putin better to be sure to say thank you for protecting his sorry ass from those unruly Dutch! Don’t get me started on their “world court” and law and order and crap!)
     
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  11. VAg8r1

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    Fixed it for you.
    Trump with the democratically elected President of Ukraine and three two dictators both of whom he admires.
     
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  12. gator_jo

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    LOL. They don't even pretend anymore.

    Russia celebrates US foreign policy that now ‘coincides’ with Moscow’s worldview

    The new [U.S.] administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations. This largely coincides with our vision,” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday in a video published on Telegram.

    https://www.politico.com/www.politi...nciding-moscow-ukraine/?_sp_pass_consent=true
     
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  13. vegasfox

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    Zelensky will be gone fairly soon imo. There will be no mineral deal with Ukraine. I expect a mineral deal with Russia.

    The US dragged Ukraine into this war that they could never win. I don't see why anyone in Ukraine should be grateful for US weapons
     
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  15. dagatorfan

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    Not sure who you are calling son but you must have bumped your head.

    I’m not saying the USA stop helping others I’m saying it’s time we got what we are owed back.

    it’s obvious, you’re the type that screams and cries about taking illegals out of the country pitching a fit about it but yet, if someone says, let them live in your house then you’re the first to say no
     
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  16. coleg

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    What is actually obvious is not your random suppositions about posters, but rather that you have nothing but these strawman ravings to add. Be better.
     
  17. Gatorrick22

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    If I were President Trump, I would offer the Eastern Europeans a change to convert their Eros into DOLLARS. They can then trade with the U.S.A., or with Europe... if they choose to do so.

    Then I would send our NATO bases in Germany to Poland and the ones in Spain to Hungry. Without demanding that they take in the Muslim Horde 2.0 into their nation.

    Britain should and always keep our bases, if they want us there.
     
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  18. lhnewman

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    most of the money we spend on Ukraine ( still less than Europe spends ) goes to US military companies and US employees...and keeps our military ready while Russia degrades their military ability....lets get real....our president needs to choose the side that all other US presidents have and that is stopping Russian aggression....they are the bad guys....check out Bucha
     
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  19. lhnewman

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    Zelensky doesn't trust Trump to abide by an agreement...would you?
     
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  20. gator_jo

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    That is a totally magnificent idea!!!!

    Alternately, they could just set up lines of credit with major banks who are interbank currency dealers, and ........ this is cRaZy!!! ........ they could have those banks exchange their currency for them!!!!

    Although it would be cool if Trump helped them do that. Because he's so smart n stuff. From being on The Apprentice.