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Will the Democrat Pary swing more left?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Nov 7, 2024.

  1. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    Nope. You just said what I have been saying. "People vote with their wallet" aligns with what they have been saying in the polling. Thanks for the support.
     
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  2. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Here’s some data.
    Every person I know and everyone these people know all voted against the progressive liberal crap. AND…no one wants higher taxes.
    It’s the very first thing everyone says.
    Your party is very cringy man.
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    It's a wild ass guess based on Trump's proposals which I guess he can always change. Whether one likes it or not a significant percentage of farmworkers and employees in meatpacking plants are immigrants including undocumented immigrants. Trump doesn't even have to deport them. If they self-deport there will be a labor shortage resulting in higher prices. There is also a good chance that Trump will withdraw the legal temporary protected status from immigrants working in the food processing industry. Additionally a fair share of food products including fresh produce and seafood are imported. Trump's across the board tariffs if he does decide the impose them will raise the prices a number of food products including virtually all bananas, at least half of the avocados, a fair percentage of blueberries and tomatoes, a fair percentage of farm raised fish like Tilapia and many other food products
     
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  4. citygator

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    Thanks. I guess that covers it. o_O
     
  5. Orange_and_Bluke

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    That’s how I’d respond too if I was a loser lib …it makes you look bad again.
     
  6. citygator

    citygator VIP Member

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    So mad, bro.
     
  7. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Rage on libbie.
     
  8. citygator

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    Yea... but what do all your friends think? That is what I am really here to find out.

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  9. Orange_and_Bluke

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  10. chemgator

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    I don't think there needs to be any great swing to the left, but they should at least be willing to throw the working poor a bone with a gradual increase of the minimum wage, and be specific about how much that would be. Inflation has averaged about 2% since the last time minimum wage was raised in 2007 to $7.25/hr through 2020, and hit 8.6% in 2021, and about 3.5% in 2022-23. That has eaten the purchasing power of the working poor by at least $0.145/hr every year. Things cost nearly double what they cost in 2007, yet the working poor have essentially the same income they had back then, so their purchasing power has been cut in half. An initial $0.75/hr raise would cover five years of inflation, and $0.25/yr would cause minimum wage to slowly catch up to the losses from inflation. That way, large numbers of jobs would not be lost (or replaced by machines) compared to jacking the minimum wage up by $10 in a single year or something equally crazy.
     
  11. OklahomaGator

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    Serious question for you, who do you thing would have a better chance of beating Trump/Vance? A ticket of Sanders/AOC or a ticket of Manchin/Shapiro?
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    For the poster who rated my post "funny" when I mentioned that a real consequence of Trump's mass deportation could a shortage of farmerworkers which could result in higher prices.
    Georgia’s 2011 Anti-Immigrant Law Left 'Crops Rotting in the Fields.' Trump Wants To Make It Worse - America's Voice
    Alabama, Arizona, and Georgia’s Anti-Immigrant Bills Were Disasters – And Should Be A Warning To DeSantis and Florida Republicans (Again) - America's Voice
    Crops Rot While Trump-Led Immigration Backlash Idles Farm Work

    Also keep in mind that it's not even Trump's actual deportation that could result in a shortage of farm labor. Undocumented workers who decide to self-deport rather than risk apprehension and forced deportation would also create labor shortages.
     
  13. citygator

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    The working class hasnt really shown any interest in voting in a minimum wage increase. GOP is opposed and they enjoy rampant support from working class.

    The bottom workers made out very well through covid and after. Bottom wages are up like 80% - way ahead of inflation. However, no one will ever get elected telling a $15 an hour McDs worker they are living large on wage increases. That would be crazy.

    Low-wage workers saw big pay jumps after the pandemic. High earners did even better. - ADP Research

    What we found
    The lowest earners, those people in the first or bottom quartile, had the largest percentage growth in annual pay gains over the last three years. But workers at the top of the pay distribution benefitted more because the level of their pay gains was greater.

    For that reason, the gap between the highest and lowest earners widened by 5 percentage points. That’s an increase of more than $12,282, to $116,954 in March 2024. Top earners now make nearly 5 times more than what lowest-income workers earn—489 percent, to be precise.

    In short, even though lower-paid workers saw strong post-pandemic pay increases, high-paid workers did even better. Workers in the bottom quartile have lost ground relative to earners in the top quartile.

    Another one here

    Fastest wage growth over the last four years among historically disadvantaged groups: Low-wage workers’ wages surged after decades of slow growth | Economic Policy Institute

    Key findings
    • Real wages of low-wage workers grew 13.2% between 2019 and 2023. Wage growth among low- and middle-wage workers over the pandemic business cycle has outpaced not only higher wage groups over the same period, but also its own growth compared to the prior four business cycles.

    • Between 2019 and 2023, state-level minimum wage increases along with a tight labor market have translated into faster real wage growth for low-wage workers, particularly faster growth in states (and D.C.) that increased their minimum wage during this period.

    • Wage rates remain insufficient for individuals and families working to make ends meet. Nowhere can a worker at the 10th percentile of the wage distribution earn enough to meet a basic family budget.

    • Black men, young workers, and working mothers experienced particularly fast wage growth over the last four years. After growing for many groups in the prior forty years, key wage gaps narrowed between 2019 and 2023, but still remain large.
     
  14. citygator

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    Calls it correctly.

     
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    Carville riding herd over the arrogant operatives of his party …

     
  16. citygator

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    Not what lost the election. It was inflation. He is old. Good SEC fan though.
     
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  17. Orange_and_Bluke

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    This is what lost you weirdos the election.
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  18. Gatorrick22

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    After letting the Pubs steal the middle-class voters? The Dems were out maneuvered by Trump/MAGA and the only thing they have is The Far Left, and IDENTITY.... Lol.

    Bring back the safe-spaces and the pronouns again... see if that wins the White House.
     
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  19. citygator

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    No one cares what old broken down racists think.
     
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  20. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Only the truth cares.
    Election explanation denier.
     
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