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Will it be up to VP Harris to certify her own election as President?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Jul 22, 2024.

  1. AndyGator

    AndyGator VIP Member

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    yes.
     
  2. gatorjo

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    Dunno how this article had eluded me.

    This is the kookiest, Trumpiest, most criminal shit they've publicly verbalized, probably.

    This *****g criminal is basically saying there's no need to honor elections.
     
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  3. BobK89

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    Nixon was VP in 1960 when Kennedy won and he had to declare Kennedy the winner.
    Mondale was VP in 1980 when Reagan won and he had to declare Reagan the winner.

    Certainly not uncommon.
     
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  4. uftaipan

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    In fact, certifying one’s own defeat has been far more common historically. When Bush’s dad won the 1988 election, he was the first sitting VP since Martin Van Buren in 1836 to win the Presidential election.
     
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  5. citygator

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    Your comparisons are irrelevant. In 2020 we learned that the VP has the power to adjudicate election complaints and solve them. No one before that knew it was an option. Kamala has the power to declare the results valid or invalid. It’s quite the responsibility.
     
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  6. uftaipan

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    So was it a trick question or what? She’s the VP. The VP presides over the election certification. You asked if she would have to certify her own election. If she is still VP* and she wins, then she will. That’s the answer to the question that you asked, and there is plenty of historical precedent. If you’re really asking a different question (or — let’s be honest here — making a different point), then just come out and do it.

    * I say “still” because there are plausible scenarios where she is not still the sitting VP in January.
     
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  7. Gatorrick22

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    A case can be made for Harris on the ticket, but what about her running mate? I guess the voters don't get to decide that?
     
  8. jeffbrig

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    What do you mean? Voters don't select the VP candidate. The person at the top of the ticket does.
     
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  9. Gatorrick22

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    She's on the ticket because she was voted on to be VP, yes. But what about her running mate?
     
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  10. GCNumber7

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    No, voters don’t get to decide VP. lol
     
  11. jeffbrig

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    Contrary to your opinion, it doesn't work that way. Primaries are just to select delegates to a party's nominating convention to cast a vote for a particular candidate. A person "wins" the nomination when they have the majority of pledged delegates (or superdelegates, which is a whole 'nother topic). But the formal selection of that candidate happens at the convention (or in a separate roll call vote, if the convention date is late). The winner picks their VP.

    When Biden bows out, "his" delegates are free to back another candidate. He endorsed Harris, his delegates are voting for Harris. She'll pick her own running mate as a VP candidate for the general election.
     
  12. WarDamnGator

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    She should publicly ask John Eastman if she can get a copy of the plan…
     
  13. Gatorrick22

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    Superdelegates... Lol. People still vote for their candidates to win the most votes in a state, before the state delegates are assigned. The Dems did that with Biden and Harris as president and vice president. But they will simply skip that same process just to hand the presidential candidacy to Harris. And then the Dems in power will SELECT their VP... in lieu of another vote for a VP. That is NOT how it's supposed to work.
     
  14. wgbgator

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    Yeah, unfortunately the Adams / Jefferson (last elected VP) fallout denied us some very fun possibilities
     
  15. jeffbrig

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    Can you find a 2024 sample ballot for the FL democratic primary that shows a Biden/Harris ticket? I challenge you to. I actually looked - I don't think one exists. Because there was no opposition - so the presidential nomination wasn't even on the FL ballot for dems.

    I did find FL republican sample ballots - they had Trump (no VP), and about 8 other candidates. Primaries never contain VP picks because the pairings don't exist at that time.

    This is really not terribly different than a contested convention. Since Biden stepped aside, no current candidate has a plurality of the votes. Delegates have publicly decided to throw their support behind Harris, and she'll be the Dem nominee. It's as simple as that. It could have become a free-for-all-octagon-cage-match, but it didn't. Nothing worth getting upset over. It's a party nomination primary process, not a "real" election. That comes in November.
     
  16. citygator

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    The panic is real. Right wingers really concerned about the democratic process to chose their candidate.

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