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Why Is America Such a Deadly Place?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by philnotfil, Aug 12, 2023.

  1. philnotfil

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    Some depressing statistics at one of the ways in which we are exceptional. We should be able to do better. But we've been worse for 30 years now.

    Opinion | Why Is America Such a Deadly Place?

    You’ve probably heard about the mortality crisis in terms of its effect on average life spans — several years ago, after decades of steady improvements, life expectancy in the United States took an unprecedented turn for the worse, placing it not among its wealthy peers, but below Kosovo, Albania, Sri Lanka and Algeria (and just ahead of Panama, Turkey and Lebanon). And while the trend is clear, the change may seem small, because the impact is averaged over the country as a whole. American life expectancy dropped just 0.1 year between 2014 and 2019, before Covid.

    But the loss is jaw-dropping by another measure — the sheer number of needless deaths. Before the pandemic, roughly a half million more people in America died each year than would have died, on average, in wealthy peer countries. In each of the first two years of the pandemic, the number surpassed one million.

    Those are conclusions of a paper, “Missing Americans: Early Death in the United States — 1933-2021,” by a team of mortality researchers published in May that tabulated the number of “missing” Americans by comparing U.S. death rates with the average of 21 closely comparable countries, mostly pretty-rich nations across Europe. Led by Jacob Bor of Boston University, the group found that almost a quarter of U.S. deaths in the years before the pandemic would not have happened had our mortality rates in those years matched those of our economic peers. During the pandemic, about one-third of all American deaths would have been avoided.

     
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  2. tampagtr

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    Just horrible. Despair
     
  3. okeechobee

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    We don't secure our border, for starters. Most empires do. It's not just the undocumented people coming across the border. But illegal drugs (which kill) and illegal guns are brought across the border as well. Drugs is still where most of the killing happens. So, the first thing we'd do to solve the problem is secure the border. Politicians don't want to solve problems. Then you won't need them anymore.
     
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  4. l_boy

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    FReeDumB!!
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    Just wait as the all cause mortality (excess) continues to grow in the younger population. Some of it is industry and lifestyle. But you won’t accept the other cause flying flags as high as you can see.
     
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  6. PITBOSS

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    It’s awful US avg age of mortality is dropping, especially compared to our peers.
     
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  7. Trickster

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    Which empires have done so successfully? I can't think of any.
    Say what? We've already got 400 million, virtually none of which came here illegally. In fact, the NRA and SCOTUS have ensured that almost no gun in the hands of almost anyone is illegal in America.
    That is true, but it's smugglers, not immigrants, who are the problem. And what do you mean by "securing our border" in the context of any kind of smuggling? No administration going back decades has been able to stem the importation of drugs. Moreover, the worst drug epidemic in our nation's history was homegrown and made billionaires of the Slacker family.
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    We may have a vaccine epidemic as well.
     
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  9. AzCatFan

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    Even East Germany lost 3 to 4 million defectors over the years. And they tried to keep people in, not out.

    And most guns here are legal. Not an issue.

    Drugs are an issue, and we can do better. Legalization of weed would help. Portugal decriminalized and used the tax revenue for increased treatment, and life expectancy has been going up since.

    Mental health is another area where we can do much better. Suicide rates are unfortunately increasing. They did drop during COVID, but picked right back up this past year.
     
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  10. Gatorrick22

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    Between 2014 and 2019? Interesting... Then the plandemic hit? All part of the plan.
     
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    People all over social media state that when you move out of the US you realize the food is killing us.

    All of the crap we allow in it to replace real ingredients isn't used in other countries and they are healthier for it.
     
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  12. AndyGator

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    How many tin hats do you own, anyways?
     
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  13. gator7_5

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    Couldn't read the article, but I'm guessing the answer is obesity. Just look around next time you are out in public. It's an epidemic.
     
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  14. WC53

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    Body positivity oh my
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    Nobody’s dying from being fat.
     
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    I found your answer for you. From your linked “study”

    Excess mortality in the United States relative to other nations has been linked to proximate factors including drug overdoses, firearm injuries, vehicle accidents, cardiometabolic disorders, and smoking (3–7) and to fundamental causes including structural racism, economic inequality, gaps in access to medical care, and underinvestment in public health and social safety net programs in the United States (11).

    To support this, they cited this masterpiece:

    This report by the Lancet Commission on Public Policy and Health in the Trump Era assesses the repercussions of President Donald Trump's health-related policies and examines the failures and social schisms that enabled his election. Trump exploited low and middle-income white people's anger over their deteriorating life prospects to mobilise racial animus and xenophobia and enlist their support for policies that benefit high-income people and corporations and threaten health.

    So……to answer your query…. I’m going with “Political agenda” for $1,000.00 Alex.

    I believe it was the great philosopher Aristotle who once opined on statistical data:

    Σκουπίδια μέσα, σκουπίδια έξω
    Roughly translated…Junk in, junk out
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    One possible factor: healthcare, more so than lack of healthcare, may be the leading cause of death in the U.S. And this has never been more evident during the Time of Great Hysteria.
     
  18. 96Gatorcise

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    You can give all the free healthcare you want but if people just plan refuse to take personal responsibility for their own health you get what we have today.

    Not overeating, smoking/vaping, drinking, drugs etc are free

    Going for daily walks, doing body weight exercises and generally being physically active is free.
     
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  19. duggers_dad

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    In 1900 the average life expectancy was 47. For 115 years, as Americans got larger and larger, life expectancy steadily increased to around 80.

    I’d attribute very little of that to medications.

    Then, around 2015, the US saw its first downtick, in decades, and that was due to an uptick in drug overdose deaths.

    As to movement: I’ve seen conflicting studies on whether Americans have maintained or decreased physical activity over the decades.
     
  20. Trickster

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    Might as well add that to your list of misrepresentations. The anti-vaccine folks are just irrational.
     
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