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Who will Harris pick as VP? It’s Walz!!

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. vegasfox

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    Walz was picked because the Democrats feared losing Minnesota
     
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  2. HeyItsMe

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    Trump had absolutely zero chance of winning Minnesota regardless of who was picked as VP, lol. Do you just make shit up as you go?
     
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  3. ajoseph

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    Her race has nothing to do with her policies. We can always agree on that.
     
  4. OklahomaGator

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    If Harris had picked Shapiro, there might have been a chance.
     
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  5. cocodrilo

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    What race is she? Donald Trump wants to know. To the Orange Ogre it's a campaign issue about "when she turned black."
     
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  6. gtr2x

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    Still a surprising choice to me.

    Seems like a folksy guy that maybe brings in some middle America independents but don't see him making a big difference either way as Shapiro or Kelly would have. At least he is not a negative like Vance. This election is all on Harris Imo.

    As for his politics, trumpsters are predictably already labeling him another radical lefty, etc etc.

    The one cool thing is if Harris wins, his Minn replacement will be a native American woman, Peggy Flanagan.
     
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  7. mrhansduck

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    I thought it would be Shapiro but was thinking yesterday that Shapiro, like Harris, is also a lawyer and former AG. Walz has a different background and that might have been an appeal. Hopefully he’s not perceived as too far left, but he claimed in the podcast that he won some areas that Trump won, and he talks about how many friends and family he has that are Republicans. Somebody said that vibes might be more important to voters than policy, and seems like there’s something to that.
     
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  8. citygator

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    She should have punked us with an introduction of Hunter Biden as VP today for a few hours. I’d have loved the meltdown.
     
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  9. citygator

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    Pennsylvania gets to keep their wildly popular governor as well. Win-win.
     
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  10. sierragator

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    Also keeps Sen Kelly in place in az. Need every senate seat they can get.
     
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  11. GatorRade

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    I was just using that word as shorthand, since that’s the term that gets used in here. I mostly mean this: While most have rightly fought for minority rights, some have elevated the status of identity above the mutable characteristics of people, which I think is dangerous.

    One, we are a tribal species, so it risks pushing us to think of ourselves as belonging to a group of “white people” or “black people”, rather than people. Framed this way, we are more likely to see people in the other group as one of them.

    Two, some have suggested that the experiences of these different people are incommensurable. This is also problematic, as it basically appeals to authority over argument. Eg How can a male ever evaluate an argument that starts with “As a female, I can tell you that…”? It can create a scenario where reason is relegated to a secondary role in decisions. There shouldn’t be “black science” any more than there should be “black jobs”.

    At my university, I’ve seen some of this first hand. A couple of my faculty in biology literally spend entire class meetings discussing colonization of science and equity. I think these ideas deserve evaluation, but probably not in a genetics class.

    I’ve also seen the reverse where some actual biological ideas are refused based on social significance. I brought up to a colleague a groundbreaking study that identified almost 4,000 gene variants associated with years of schooling. The colleague responded, “isn’t that eugenics?”

    Clearly, the fight for minority rights comes from a good place, and certainly we have more work to do in this area. It just also seems that some have pushed this battle into problematic spaces. Hope that answers your question.
     
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  12. BigCypressGator1981

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    He makes perfect sense to me. He's the normal to Vance's weird. Donald Trump is 78 and in poor health so the importance of the Vance pick cannot be overstated. I think he will do a marvelous job of making Vance out to be a complete weirdo who is out of touch and thus a real liability for the GOP ticket given Trump's age.

    Plus he'll end any infighting amongst democrats unlike Shapiro.
     
  13. gator95

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    What color is the sky in your world? She was rated the most liberal senator at one point. Holy crap this is funny. It's like the Right saying Trump isn't a crook. Just because you love her being far left, don't try to paint her as something she's not.
     
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  15. g8trjax

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    Just wait till the media's done with the makeover job on both of those lefties...won't even recognize 'em.
     
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    She was rated the most liberal member of the Senate for 2019 based on the single metric of bills she sponsored or cosponsored. It was one metric and it was for a single year, it didn't take into account her entire career and legislators frequently cosponsor bills with which they do not agree in their entirety. While admittedly she is one of the more liberal members of the Senate she doesn't come remotely close to Bernie Sanders for example.
     
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  17. GatorRade

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    Your article explains that the meaning of woke was quite different in 2017:

    “The use of the word "woke" grew in popularity in 2017, when dictionaries such as Oxford and Merriam-Webster added the phrase to their lexicons, defining it as people who are attentive to issues such as social justice. It has since become a catch-all word for left-wing issues and agendas.”​

    But also, almost all groups suffer from some level of “group think”, including the republicans. What happened to Liz Cheney when she suggested that 2020 election was fair?
     
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  18. gator95

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    Bernie was 1 spot above her in the rankings. Good try. It's like R's trying to say Trump isn't a dirtbag. Stop it. Just admit it and move on. Walz is very far left as well. I think this was a bad move politically. Shapiro would've almost guaranteed PA but the D's got scared of alienating their Hamas backing base. This move makes it more likely IMO that trump wins in Nov. We shall see.
     
  19. gtr2x

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    Agree on the Vance aspect. The more I read about him, the more likeable Walz is, but Harris already had my vote. I'm not who she needs to win over. It seems like a clear maga vs progressive election.

    He does have 2 biological kids (thru IVF) and has a strong family background so maybe that makes some here happy.

    Watching him speak and reading his bio, maybe he picks up a few old white guy votes. :)
    Add:: I see Manchin likes the pick so there is one old white guy on board. :cool:
     
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  20. ga8orman1

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    Harris has just shown herself to be the very left California extreme progressive liberal that we all know she really is. Her first public decision to is go with the anti-semitic wing of the new Democrat party and go with the BLM riot loving far left progressive instead of the first choice of Shapiro. Why do you think Bernie and Pocahontas were two of the first to speak out and applaud the choice? Because this guy is a moderate? Yeah right. Wake up to the real world. Walz is the "one person's socialism is another person's neighborlyness" far left progressive. Shapiro was all but a done deal until the anti-semites got through to Harris at the last moment. She is in PA today for a reason and it was supposed to be to welcome Shapiro and solidify bringing PA into the win column. Face it libbies, you cannot rebrand this Harris person no matter how hard you and the media try. But then again the Democrat party as a whole has moved so far left it is par for the course
     
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