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Who Truly Threatens the Church?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by philnotfil, Jul 10, 2023.

  1. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    Th church threatens the church more than any outside entity. Summed up really well in this tweet.
     
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  2. ETGator1

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    Love the sinner, hate the sin. God deals with the sinner, not the church, you, or me. Relationships with God through Jesus are one-on-one experiences.

    Travis Akers used his X post as a political hit piece and itself is an attack from outside on the church.

    Those churches who bow to the will of man over the Bible are nothing more than false churches which are nothing like what Travis Akers claims the churches were in his childhood. I'd say it is more likely that he doesn't like his sin whatever it is being questioned by the church, actually the Word of God, so he uses the dislike of being confronted to turn it around as an attack on the church. Jesus healed sinners and then admonished them to go and sin no more.
     
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  3. Gatorhead

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    You make a fine Cultist ETGator1.

    Travis Akers is right, your just insulted with the truth.
     
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  4. philnotfil

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    You claim that this commentary by Akers is an attack from outside on the church, but he is very active in his church. And it isn't an attack, it is a lament, he sorrows for how some Christians have distorted the gospel for the sake of political advantage.

    No True Scotsman can be comforting. If we define the people who disagree with us as not belonging to our ingroup, we can dismiss their concerns. But it isn't intellectually honest.
     
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  5. duggers_dad

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    Who truly threatens the church ? Truly, the churches themselves.

    Ex: the Methodist church my wife and I attended went belly up during pan-panic, closed down for more than a year, after which only limited attendance was permitted - by lottery.

    In any case, the church opened back up in time to go silly with identity politics.
     
  6. oragator1

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    And this.

     
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  7. Contra

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    These kinds of posts are always interesting because who exactly is being addressed is undefined, and what exactly it is attempting to reprove is almost undefined. This is what we know about those who he is addressing:

    But now, you call me a libtard. A queer-lover. You call me "woke." A backslider. You call me a heretic. You make fun of my heart. You mock the people I’m trying to help.

    You say I’m a child of the devil.

    You call me soft. A snowflake. A socialist. You shun the very people you told me to help.

    You hate nearly all the people I love. You stand against nearly all the things I stand for. I'm trying to see a way forward, but it's hard when I survey all the hurt, harm, and darkness that comes in the wake of your beliefs and presence.

    We also have more to go on. We have his entire history to look at on twitter such as:







    We also know he claims some identity related to Washington DC and New York, two very liberal areas.

    Putting it all together we can understand what it is this man is doing. He believes the 2nd greatest commandment according to Jesus, to love your neighbor, justifies the entire worldview that animates the political agenda of the DNC. In my experience the problem with these kinds of rants is they quote biblical words and phrases. They then infuse them with extra-biblical cultural meanings. Then they complain when people don't accept their culturally infused interpretations of the words they are quoting from scripture.

    Here is the problem:

    Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. -1 John 2:15
    Not all love is good. Some types of love are forbidden. The love of the world is strictly forbidden. It is perilous because it means someone is an enemy of God. God and the world are enemies. God loved his enemies by sending His Son as an atoning sacrifice. He did not love his enemies by loving their sin. There is a type of love that when manifested demonstrates no love at all for the Father. It is a love that amounts to lovelessness towards God. And this man is imputing this lovelessness towards the Father to Christ and saying this lovelessness towards the Father is the true love embodied by Christ in the gospels. Big fail on this guys part. He is not just wrong. He is really wrong. He needs to ask Christ for forgiveness for his love of the world.

    If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. -John 15:19

    I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. -John 17:14
    Those who are loved by the world are not the true disciples of Christ.

     
  8. philnotfil

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    This is exactly the kind of behavior that should be derided. Notice how much of this poster's disagreement with Akers is based on the politics of Akers, rather than the religious beliefs of Akers. This poster imputed religious beliefs to Akers, without any actual evidence, and then declared that his interpretation of scripture was superior to the interpretation he imputed to Akers.

    Thou shalt not bear false witness.
     
  9. Contra

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    Politics is an extension of one's worldview. It is the application of morality to society and the state. So, you can't really create this strict dichotomy between the two. The two are more connected than you are recognizing. For example, go back and look at this picture. Are you going to tell the bold faced lie that this is just political? That post is a betrayal of Jesus Christ and the book this man claims to follow. It is a clearly demonstrated love for the world that is forbidden and described as a lovelessness for the Father by the author of 1st John. That is the truth. It is not a lie.

     
  10. danmanne65

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    I wish I remembered where I came across this idea but it intrigues me. Faith in god is independent of the Bible.
     
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    'member this?

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  12. Contra

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    I do. It is a funny picture. Made by a liberal actually to make fun of Trump. What is your problem with it?
     
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  13. ETGator1

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    Methodists and Presbyterians likely split over people like Akers. The traditional church is right and the false church accepting and promoting sin is wrong. Yes, I said one is right and one is wrong. Akers traditional church didn't change, he did.
     
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  14. ETGator1

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    That's true. Islam believes in god, Allah.

    However, there is only one way to God and that is the belief in Jesus' death for our sins and his resurrection, asking for forgiveness of sin, and rejection of sin for a Christian life. Reading the Bible takes a believer's faith from being a child to being an adult. The Bible increases faith and enhances life.

    Believing in God alone or believing in the Islamic false god will leave you eternally separated from God.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    Oh, the irony is a bit much here. Thanks though.
     
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