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White House: We Don’t Want to Be World’s Leading Oil, Gas Producer Forever

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, May 29, 2024.

  1. ETGator1

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    This is a heckuva interview conducted on Fox Business News with a top White House adviser:

    White House: We Don't Want to Be World's Leading Oil, Gas Producer Forever (breitbart.com)

    On Tuesday’s broadcast of the Fox Business Network’s “Cavuto: Coast to Coast,” White House Senior Adviser Amos Hochstein said that America is the largest producer of oil and gas in the world, but they don’t want to see that continue forever, just for the timeframe that is needed for the green energy transition.

    JMO, what Mr. Hochstein is saying is we don't want to see the US being the largest oil and gas producer in the world, just for the timeframe that is needed to win the 2024 presidential election.

    After declaring all-out war on fossil fuels during the first 1 1/2 years of his presidency, the Biden Administration changed some of its energy policies to face the realities of high inflation created when oil peaked at $129 per barrel, price per barrel discussed in the interview.

    I would be beyond ecstatic to see this interview repeated on ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, CNN, and MSNBC. The radical far left climate changers of the democratic party demanding an end to fossil fuels would go wild which is why you likely won't see the interview repeated on any of the lamestream news networks.

    Should Biden win a second term, the Biden Administration will end this accommodation faster than you can blink your eyes. As it is, the increased production came on private rather than public lands and increased royalties and other charges placed into law are still in effect. We all know what Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm thinks of lowering gas prices:

    Energy Secretary On Rising Gas Prices: "That Is Hilarious" (youtube.com)


    Isn't it amazing how US inflation started coming down due to an inverse relationship with oil and gas production.

    On top of the Biden Administration allowing the increased oil and gas production, Biden also drained a large portion of the US Strategic Oil Reserve to its lowest level since 1980 to keep inflation down. As of this writing, there are still no plans to refill the reserve. If the US were to enter a time of war, that filled oil reserve would be needed.
     
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  2. AzCatFan

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    Good. If green energy is more efficient and pollutes less, why wouldn't we want to be leaders of green tech instead of leaders in oil and gas?
     
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  3. Emmitto

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    Gonna need to spell out the Utter Rage this causes RWers for those of us not hellbent on just being infuriated all day on general principle. Trying to keep inflation lower and moving away from poisons aren't stirring up the fury they want me to perpetually feel.

    FTR, pretty sure there actually IS a plan to refill, and it starts with cancelling some of the sales mandated by Congress. That alone was something like 150 million barrels.
     
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  4. sierragator

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    by definition NO ONE will be the world's leading petro producer forever as there is not a limitless supply.
     
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  5. ETGator1

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    Well, you would be wrong in thinking the Biden Administration has plans to refill:

    Biden Administration Is Not Refilling The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (forbes.com)

    Over the past week, multiple stories have appeared in the media with headline phrases like “The U.S. is refilling the Strategic Petroleum Reserves.” However, this is misleading at best.

    Lots of broken promises though. Promises made = promises broken.
     
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  6. G8tas

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    Of course we don't want to be the leader forever. Why would we? China is about to become the leader in renewable energy. We're falling behind
     
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    All you need to do in a war is launch a satellite blocking the sunlight over China. As long as other nations are not democratic, gas and oil are required in abundance.
     
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  8. ETGator1

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    What did the global economy do that was more powerful in reducing US inflation than hugely increasing US oil and gas production starting after US inflation rate peaked at 9.1% in 2022? You are such a champion of this thought that you must have a ready answer. I'm surprised you aren't claiming White House senior adviser Hochstein is FOS and doesn't represent true Biden Administration climate change and globalist views.
     
  9. AzCatFan

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    Just-In-Time-Shipping (JITS) is the most efficient way to sell goods. No storage fees and no product sitting on shelves getting old and not making profit. For years, better tracking and computer AI has made JITS more and more efficient. It helped keep inflation low for the better part of four decades.

    One problem with JITS is if/when there is a kink in the supply chain. That kink was COVID, which shut down manufacturing sectors all over the world. With less supply in storage, this quickly caused supply shortages. Any idiot should know when supply goes down, prices go up. It's high school econ supply/demand curve. Once manufacturing reopened, there were still issues. JITS can't handle higher volume than normal. It's designed not to ship extra needed goods; the goods are supposed to arrive Just In Time.

    Remember the dozens of shipping boats waiting to dock out in the ocean? All those supplies sitting on boats and not making anyone any money plus causing continued supply shortages was too inflationary. But eventually, the supply chain kinks worked themselves out and inflation started to drop.

    Experts knew this was going to happen. And why they thought inflation would be transitory. The issue they missed on was COVID causing global labor shortages. Again, shortages cause inflation. COVID caused many near retirement age to choose to retire. COVID also caused more people of prime working age to pass than usual (30 - 59 years old).

    US increase in oil and gas wasn't a major contributor. It's a global market, and globally, there wasn't a huge uptick in in production or refinery gains. And globally, we aren't producing more than we were in 2019.

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    Last, I'll ask again and echo other posters. Why would we want to continue to be the world's leading oil and gas producer when oil and gas is a non-renewable resource? Wouldn't it serve our future better to be leader in green energy, especially if it's renewable, more efficient, and cleaner?
     
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  10. citygator

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    Even if you believe oil is the primary source of energy forever it is a strategic mistake to blow through our stockpile faster than every other country in the world. In fact that would be a disaster just so conservatives can feel like they lowered a few cents of gas prices when we make almost no difference in world prices. Some but not much.
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    Conservatives whenever they see anything about reducing oil consumption/production:

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  12. citygator

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    Emotional because it is a litmus test to being woke. if you dont support gushing black smoke you are woke.
     
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  13. ETGator1

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    Just to name a few:

    Renewable hasn't been perfected and won't be in the timeframes the Biden Administration is targeting.

    It's expensive, the masses can't afford it.

    It makes the US dependent on foreign suppliers that I don't trust any further than I can throw them, not far.

    As we recently found out, the Biden Administration isn't capable of building recharging stations budgeted for let alone overseeing something as complex as a conversion to renewables while shutting down fossil fuels. This was tried in Biden's first 1 1/2 years in office. He will be paying the price for his all or nothing roll on November 5 when the American people fire him.

    US national security demands it, live in a dangerous world, so we need oil and gas.

    The approach that makes far more sense is an all of the above approach.

    For a last time, I reject you global BS. US inflation came down when US oil and gas ramped up in mid 2022. You'd know this if you actually watched the interview of White House senior adviser Hochstein. Unlike you, he had no problem answering why the US is the largest producer of oil and gas while acknowledging it can't last forever, duh!
     
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  14. AzCatFan

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    Biden's goal is 2036. And even if we only reach 80% to goal by then, we've come a long way to attaining a goal that would get us off oil. And even as the world's leading producer, we still need to import oil. This is because much of the oil we produce is too crude for what we need. If you are scared to be reliant on other country's green tech, why aren't you even more scared of OPEC countries, of which we are reliant for oil?

    And like all new technologies, prices will come down as more and more adapt it. The cost of oil is unlikely to to come down significantly again. Especially if the world has reached peak oil, meaning we've already drilled about 50%+ of what we drill. The "easy" areas to tap are going to stop supplying so much oil, and leaving only the more difficult, and more expensive areas to drill. Meanwhile, as more and more green energy is adopted, prices will drop.

    Last, just because you don't accept the truth about the global economy and call it BS, doesn't mean it isn't true. The US imports $3.2 Trillion, with a T, amount of goods every year. What do you think happens to prices when multiple areas that manufacture said goods shut down for significant periods due to COVID? What happens to prices when these factories turn back on, but we don't have the infrastructure to handle the now surplus supplies, and these goods sit in the ocean, waiting to be unloaded?

    None of this is BS. Your explanation that a tiny rise in US oil output, that barely marked a rise in global oil output is what saved us from inflation is total BS.
     
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    and after all that which just puts you out there as a wokester riding a hobby horse to me, you didn't address any part of the Hochstein interview. Close minded so much you are in deep space with no way back to earth.
     
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  17. ETGator1

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    It's the ripple effect throughout the economy. Nothing goes untouched in the US economy when US oil and gas production goes down. It just seems like yesterday when foreign countries denied Biden's requests to increase production to sell to the US while at the same time retarding US production. How stupid was that?
     
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  18. AzCatFan

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    Show me the math how less than 5% of the average household's spending can cause 9% inflation. And how a minor increase in global production on oil is the reason why inflation is now under 4%. And that global supply chain issues didn't have anything to do with inflation.

    I agree with Hochstein. We can be the leading producer in oil and gas today, because we depend on gas on oil. But our dependence on a non-renewable resource is a very bad plan long-term. Again, the cheap and easy accessible oil has been tapped for decades. There is no way it will come down in price unless there's another gigantic drop in demand, like we had with COVID. Otherwise, prices will continue to go up over time.

    And no matter how much we drill, we will still be dependent on foreign oil. Again, much of what we produce is too crude for our needs. Not all oil is created equal, and we simply need foreign oil to survive today. That makes us dependent upon OPEC countries, who represent a large portion of the global market. Imagine if we could create all the green energy we needed domestically? Can we do that by 2036? Unlikely, but the closer we get to the goal, the better.

    You are willfully ignorant if you believe oil prices are to blame for the global inflation, and not major parts of the world shutting down and major supply chain kinks. You are equally ignorant if you believe relying on oil, a non-renewable resource, and one that requires imports from unfriendly countries, is a good, long-term policy.
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    Oil has a ripple effect? But production stopped on many of the $3.2 Trillion worth of imported goods doesn't have an effect? Or massive supply chain kinks that lead to freighters filled with said goods to wait weeks to dock has zero effect? LOL!!!!
     
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    Too funny. If everyone thought like you do about (not) adopting new and better technologies, we'd still be living in caves and getting our energy from fire wood.
     
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