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Which game will be Billy Napiers last? Poll

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Aug 31, 2024.

Which game will be Billy Napiers last?

Poll closed Oct 7, 2024.
  1. Mississippi State

    32.2%
  2. UCF

    27.5%
  3. Tennessee

    5.5%
  4. Kentucky

    5.5%
  5. During the Gaunlet

    5.9%
  6. FSU/Post Season/ He goes the distance

    23.3%
  1. Wanne15

    Wanne15 GC Hall of Fame

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    Is Gundry better? Maybe at this point. Who knows. Does Urbs still have that fire.
     
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  2. JG8tor

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    If we're supposed to just swallow our personal feelings about Kiffin because he is the guy in coaching, why didn't Alabama go get him?
     
  3. 62gator

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    Weak Wake.



     
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  4. gaterzfan

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    He seems to have a long-time coaching relationship with Smart. Think he would leave Uga for UF?

     
  5. Contra

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    Georgia could have asked the same questions about Kirby Smart, and then UGA would have missed on Kirby Smart.

    Oregon could have asked the same questions about Dan Lanning, and they could have missed out on Dan Lanning.

    Ohio State could have asked the same questions about Ryan Day, and they could have missed out on Ryan Day.

    Brent Venables looks like the better hire right now when comparing OU and UF hires. We could have hired Venables instead of Napier.

    Start with who you’d want to be your coach right now if you could pick anyone even if they would say no right now. Then go pick the coach who is most like them back when they would have said yes. That is how we should be picking a coach.

    Schumann is that guy hands down. He is Kirby before Kirby became the best coach in college football. That is who the top 5 coaches were before they were unobtainable. They were elite coordinators at elite programs.
     
  6. MarineG8R

    MarineG8R GC Hall of Fame

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    That’s one on my list. But people will crap themselves because of no HC experience. But if the powers that be swing and miss a bunch I’d reach out. Ask any UGA fan and they would hate to lose him.
     
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  7. freedomgator

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    Ehh I'm not against hiring an up and comer (that's really all there is anyway) but there are plenty of examples of this going the other way, most obviously Muschamp and McElwain.
     
  8. Tolbert1906

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    I'm not even sure we can get Kiffin. Ole Miss will counter. We struck out when we went after Chip Kelly, we cheaped out going after Billy Napier. It seems we only open up the bank when it's time to get rid of a coach instead of when we hire them. Pay tens of millions in buyouts every three years? Sure, no problem. $10 million salary? Can't afford it.
     
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  9. original zin

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    I am a little surprised Matt Rhule isn’t mentioned if we are talking about success at P5 level. Now 3-0 at Nebraska, had success at Baylor and Temple. Kick tires anyhow.
     
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  10. eastowest

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  11. 92gator

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    Note: c&p'd from another thread--seems better suited here:

    I don't get this.

    So many calling for yet another front loaded contract incentivising failure (what it would take to get Kiffin).

    More than idiot losers, it's these @#$%&n contracts that yield exactly what they're designed to yield--failure--that is THE problem.

    Hire some hungry buck with an incentive laden back end contract (e.g., 100k per win up to 5, then plus 250k per win, with a doubling bonus per win v ranked oppt, triple v top 10, 5x win v top 5, plus margin of victory bonus, get to PO bonus, wins in PO bonus, natty super bonus...)...

    Perhaps a performance based bonus equity sharing plan for the players, processed through NIL...

    I'm over us making double digit multi-millaires out of losers (who thereby make clowns of us...)

    Throw another truck load of bank at monty's kid....who's to say he doesn't get fat n lazy like the last 4 @#"&'n db's we did that very same thing for????

    I'd rather take chances with actual Gators, with back end incentive laden contracts, than continue to get played for fools by idiot, dishonorable mercenary @#$%&n punk asses, punking our asses.

    Short list--Kerwin bell, GA Mangus, Gene Shizik... Hell, talk to Tebow, Wuerfel, Emmitt b4 some other non Gator schiester in waiting...
     
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  12. TrueGator

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    It's like they needed the other nine guys to shore up the leaky line long enough to get one guy downfield. Recipe for failure.
     
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  13. gatornee

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    More national exposure. The Gator brand far exceeds the Rebels
     
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  14. bposs

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    If he did that here, one of our idiot administrators would probably admonish him.
     
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  15. eastowest

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    Pass off/1st downs/total Off
    Ole Miss #1
     
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  16. Contra

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    You have to think differently here. The best coordinators in college football often make the best coaches in college football. It is not deterministic, but it is an anomaly at this point for a coach to be in the top 5 best coaches in the sport of college football if they were not a coordinator at a top flight program at their last coaching stop:

    1. Kirby Smart: DC Bama
    2. Dan Lanning: DC at UGA
    3. Mel Tucker: DC at UGA (obviously not a top coach now, but he was on the trajectory to be in that conversation).
    4. Ryan Day: OC at OSU
    5. Steve Sarkisian: OC at Bama

    At this point hiring the best coordinator in college football gives you the best chance at getting a guy who is a top 5 coach in the sport. That is what the data says. Kalen Deboer is probably the exception here, but that is also TBD as well. He had one good season at Washington. There is a very small sample size there.
     
  17. Contra

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    Good question. Maybe, but he grew up an hour and a half from Gainesville. It could be the perfect job for him. Also, are you going to turn down a big opportunity from Florida for a friendship?
     
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  18. paidinfull

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    The folks who don’t think he had legit medical issues when he left here obviously don’t know him or know anyone who does. That dude was broken when he left. Addicted to uppers and downers and he was no longer able to cope with the stress. A lot of his issues were self inflicted, but they were issues none the less. You saw glimpses of these same struggles at OSU.
     
  19. freedomgator

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    "Think differently" from what, exactly? Again, I'm not against hiring an up and comer it should just be acknowledged that nothing is surefire when it comes to this stuff. Sometimes you get Muschamp sometimes you get Lanning.
     
  20. Contra

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    Think differently than expecting that you will hire a top 5 coach in college football by hiring a proven head coach at another school. The current top 5 coaches show that is very unlikely. They were not head coaches before their current gigs. They were coordinators at elite schools before they filled their current positions.