When Does The U.S. Start Looking At An Alliance With China and Russia?

Awhile back I might have suggested that making friends is better than making enemies. At this juncture I’d suggest that China-Russia is the train leaving the station and we’d better hop on lest we be left behind.

 

I think a lot of the Russia-love from the Right is that they're White people. I've never heard of a call from Trump to round-up, extradite, or imprison illegal immigrants from Europe or Russia. The targeted undesirables are black and brown, formerly of "shithole," countries.

 

Yep, plus a common interest in " traditional" fundamentalist "values'. Quite the bromance between the maga/gop and mother russia. Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

 

Cool - you go first. We'll be right behind ya.

 

lol, this dumbass thinks it would be easy to militarily subjugate Canada from other continents.

 

It won't be China... their ideology is all about owning the world. They are NOT going to share it with NON like-minded nations.

 

A lot of Russian immigrants are driving big rig trucks across the U.S. (the new generation of American truck drivers rarely wants to drive more than 4 hours each way). And that includes chemical tankers. Not long ago, a Russian driver hauling chemicals was arrested for drunk driving in our area after downing a little too much vodka before lunch (I think he pulled over before he passed out). It's a scary problem when you realize how many Russians are driving these big rigs.

 

Lee Harvey is already on the train.

 

So in order to get on the Russia-China train, we would have to (or threaten/prepare to) invade one of our neighbors and re-make it in our image? We would open torture centers, bomb cities indiscriminately, steal washing machines, and loot and pillage? O.k., but how would we decide between Mexico and Canada? Canada has the real estate, but Mexico has the nicer beaches. Both have oil. Mexico has more washing machines, but Canada's washing machines are higher quality. How do we make that decision? If we invaded Mexico, would we continue with the idiotic plan to build a wall with Mexico for the next 344 years and pretend that they will pay for it? Is this how we make friends now?

Or by making friends with China and Russia do you really mean that we should smile and overlook the fact that they are invading other countries like barbarians, and apologize for causing them to get upset enough to make them invade these countries?

 

I tend to agree that China's ideology is all about owning the world and Trump and Musk are enabling them to do so. China has been able to extend its influence around the world not through military action by the Peoples Liberation Army but through foreign aid and the Trump/Musk decision to destroy USAID is a true gift to Xi Jinping.

 

If China had radicalized Mexico against in the way the U.S. has radicalized Ukraine against Russia …
well, we already know your inconsistency is transparent.

 

You really have no idea of how the world works.

China and Russia have their own goals and views of the world that are not compatible without ours. This consists of complex plans to access limited resources in what they see as their spheres of influence to fuel their economies, influence their competitors populaces to effectively to get the resources at the least cost, and calculations of when they are willing to use military power against other means to obtain the resources they require. Our job is to limit their access to these limited resources, either denying them access because the owners are trading/security allies and/or obtain them for ourselves for our economies, so that we can remain on top of the heap, because there is always someone on top of the heap. Think "rare earth metals" as a timely example.

Russia isn't invading Ukraine over NATO membership, which was never on the table. What did happen is their local mafia bosses who ran Ukraine got run off by the people of Ukraine AFTER Ukraine was declared independent, but in practice actually wasn't because Russia wouldn't let them. In short: Russia wants what they think is their operating territory back.

So if you see China and Russia for what they are, you would recognize that they are nothing more than the mafia, extracting wealth they move into Western banks and institutions, like our political system, to obtain these resources with the least amount of cost, whether money, men, or materials. While the money is there, they might as well inject it into our political processes to generate outcomes that are better for them and worse for us. Citizen's United is the way they do that.

Trump is nothing more than the American mafia boss who used to launder their money into the Western banking system, so he sees the world in the same way. His job is to now move us away from the people who are our allies by using people vulnerable to our adversary's propaganda, so that WE are isolated and they can execute THEIR goals, which will never be OUR goals. Trump will enrich himself and his family off that, and set himself up like a mafia boss.

Keep in mind Trump supposedly won this election by less than 2% in the popular vote, but I do not expect that we will ever have a fair election again, so welcome to the USA in an increasingly mafia state world. Hope you enjoy it!

Having said all of this, the time it takes to educate an undereducated populace to understand "why what they think they want is not really what they want" is going to end up destroying the country.

Typically how this is avoided is a war will be found that puts these folks into the military after the political leaders fail to avoid conflict to find out first hand what they should have paid attention to in school to learn in the first place so they could have voted for smarter political leaders.

 

How is it that your Russophobic and Sinophobic posts always turn into novel-length missives against Trump ?

 

Because the world is a complex place and you obviously need the remedial, lengthy explanation for what you missed in school when you were chugging at the kegger instead of attending class - the most important is that we don't have friends or enemies, just interests that either align or do not with other countries based on what our economies/security framework/geography/cultures require.

 

Here’s one area where interests have not aligned …

https://quincyinst.org/events/the-s...y-interventions-increased-after-the-cold-war/

 

Nah, if we invaded Mexico, then the wall would only have to go across Guatemala. Much shorter length and cheaper. Maybe we could make it taller with the extra money.

 

Yes, and when it is China's business interests, or Russia's business interest, or Iran's, or India's for that matter that are in ascendance, multiply those interventions accordingly. Our corporations have always been the largest factors in these interventions, from the Banana Wars until now. We fight small wars to avoid big ones.

There will always a challenger to our interests abroad, unless of course you isolate yourself and pretend nuclear weapons and security frameworks do not matter. Then your business interests will not fare so well and your enemies will multiply. We had Russia in a box, Iran on the decline and China watching and waiting for us to show weakness.

Trump plans to do exactly that - let Russia out of the box to rearm while abandoning our European allies to Russia alone. Russia wants an energy dependent Europe at all costs, because it is the cheapest way to get their one trick pony - oil & gas - to market efficiently. They don't call all that money "black" that flows into Switzerland and our political processes because no one is allowed to know where it comes from. I can tell you much of it is covered in oil. Which is the real game: keep oil in play until it is gone, because it is relatively easy and cheap to make money from it. This is the only game in Russia. We have others.

Four US interests, this is terrible strategy. We are currently selling them LNGs to replace Russian oil & gas, and making good money from it. This will push them into renewables eventually and will end the Russian threat of dominating Europe through hydrocarbon blackmail. So who does this strategy help? No one but Russia.

China will take notice and then you will find us in another unnecessary war.

 

Gotta keep an eye on China. It’s putting itself awfully close to our bases …

 

You obviously missed World War 2, the Korean War, and Vietnam which is how our bases got there for the most part, in the first place.

The salient lesson being: it is much better to fight in your opponents backyard (Okinawa or Taiwan for instance) instead of your own (Pearl Harbor).

It cost an immense amount of dead US Marines to fight their way across the Pacific in World War 2 hopping from island to island, and since we eventually won, I imagine it is in our country's security interests to not do so again.

You should also take note of that immense Asiatic landmass.

Geography is destiny, and if one country ever dominated that landmass, we'd be in trouble.