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What’s happening in America today is something darker than a misinformation crisis.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by philnotfil, Oct 12, 2024 at 10:55 AM.

  1. philnotfil

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    Many of the problems in our current politics are because we are inhabiting different realities. And the shift hasn't been accidental.

    I’m Running Out of Ways to Explain How Bad This Is

    Even in a decade marred by online grifters, shameless politicians, and an alternative right-wing-media complex pushing anti-science fringe theories, the events of the past few weeks stand out for their depravity and nihilism. As two catastrophic storms upended American cities, a patchwork network of influencers and fake-news peddlers have done their best to sow distrust, stoke resentment, and interfere with relief efforts. But this is more than just a misinformation crisis. To watch as real information is overwhelmed by crank theories and public servants battle death threats is to confront two alarming facts: first, that a durable ecosystem exists to ensconce citizens in an alternate reality, and second, that the people consuming and amplifying those lies are not helpless dupes but willing participants.

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    It is difficult to capture the nihilism of the current moment. The pandemic saw Americans, distrustful of authority, trying to discredit effective vaccines, spreading conspiracy theories, and attacking public-health officials. But what feels novel in the aftermath of this month’s hurricanes is how the people doing the lying aren’t even trying to hide the provenance of their [noun]. Similarly, those sharing the lies are happy to admit that they do not care whether what they’re pushing is real or not. Such was the case last week, when Republican politicians shared an AI-generated viral image of a little girl holding a puppy while supposedly fleeing Helene. Though the image was clearly fake and quickly debunked, some politicians remained defiant. “Y’all, I don’t know where this photo came from and honestly, it doesn’t matter,” Amy Kremer, who represents Georgia on the Republican National Committee, wrote after sharing the fake image. “I’m leaving it because it is emblematic of the trauma and pain people are living through right now.”

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    So much of the conversation around misinformation suggests that its primary job is to persuade. But as Michael Caulfield, an information researcher at the University of Washington, has argued, “The primary use of ‘misinformation’ is not to change the beliefs of other people at all. Instead, the vast majority of misinformation is offered as a service for people to maintain their beliefs in face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.” This distinction is important, in part because it assigns agency to those who consume and share obviously fake information. What is clear from comments such as Kremer’s is that she is not a dupe; although she may come off as deeply incurious and shameless, she is publicly admitting to being an active participant in the far right’s world-building project, where feel is always greater than real.

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    What is clear is that a new framework is needed to describe this fracturing. Misinformation is too technical, too freighted, and, after almost a decade of Trump, too political. Nor does it explain what is really happening, which is nothing less than a cultural assault on any person or institution that operates in reality. If you are a weatherperson, you’re a target. The same goes for journalists, election workers, scientists, doctors, and first responders. These jobs are different, but the thing they share is that they all must attend to and describe the world as it is. This makes them dangerous to people who cannot abide by the agonizing constraints of reality, as well as those who have financial and political interests in keeping up the charade.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    It is depressing. Waiting on Part II where the writers laces into Democrats.
     
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  3. gator_jo

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    No doubt. We've got a viable major party POTUS nominee whose sole response to multiple major natural disasters is.....

    .....to spread and encourage outright lies about about the response, depending on political affiliation, and to encourage damaging conspiracy theory lies.

    And appx half the electorate is perfectly fine with that. And a large part is like "I don't support the individual doing that, but I'm perfectly fine with the organization that supports and enables that harmful liar."

    I simply cannot express the depth of my shock and disgust.
     
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  4. gatorchamps0607

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    No self awareness at all. None.
     
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  5. QGator2414

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    LOL!

    What a pos opinion full of “misinformation”.

    This writer needs to look in the mirror…
     
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  6. gatorchamps0607

    gatorchamps0607 Always Rasta VIP Member

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    Some people love to attack the source. So, lets play along to keep it fair around here.

    Charlie Warzel, The Atlantic

    His latest articles... seems like this was totally a fair and balanced article.
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    What is that you guys also complain about? Fear porn from the right...
     
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  7. vegasfox

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    Confession by projection
     
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  8. PITBOSS

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    I never thought so many would believe false info. I can’t quite get to the core of why they do.

    good post Philnotfil, we have to keep shining a light on this.
     
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  9. slocala

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    It’s an interesting phenomenon. There is a business opportunity to create “trust services” for people to subscribe to and identify fake / AI generated information. The question is how much will people pay for something like trust and validation? It is a pathway to a libertarian society where it’s a free for all and you make choices to filter to objective truth.
     
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    I read that Sweden is teaching disinformation recognition in their schools.

    The rise of AI is only going to make this problem worse.

    At the moment, our only hope is to battle disinformation wherever we find it and refuse to elect the politicians that wield it.
     
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  11. gatorchamps960608

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    We really have hit a new low with the morons who believe Democrats control hurricanes.

    It was bad enough when people were taking horse paste for Covid and now have chronic bowel problems as a result.
     
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  12. philnotfil

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    Which things did the writer claim to be fact that are actually misinformation?
     
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  13. gatordavisl

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    Do you believe that people from the far right have spread harmful and potentially dangerous lies about hurricanes and hurricane relief? Would appreciate a yes/no response if you can bring yourself to one.

    And if there's a need to equivocate, what is the analog from the left?
     
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  14. PITBOSS

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    the foundation for it is there is just so much info & news coming at us digitally 24/7 that we all follow. Whenever someone mentions how “history will look back”…..we don’t do that anymore. We can’t keep up with the info coming at us now much less look back and analyze historical events.
     
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  15. gatordavisl

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    This would be prohibited in FL schools.
     
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  16. Orange_and_Bluke

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    This place has become a meeting place for extremist libbies.
    I worry too many have been sucked into its vortex.
    This board is not for normal folks.
     
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  17. slocala

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    I agree. Traditional media has become a pay for advertisement of opinions laced with facts and lies due to lazy speed to market. We cannot rely upon government to filter and we cannot rely upon the traditional “fourth rail” press to separate from opinions. Hence my pondering of starting a trust service with block chain decentralized fact checking to support to enhance trust in the fact checking.
     
  18. gator_jo

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    We have states bulk purchasing the Trump bible....so that's pretty good too.
     
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  19. Gatorrick22

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    Yep... Pure projection...
     
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  20. philnotfil

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    Which things did the writer claim to be fact that are actually misinformation?
     
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