well, well, a democratic lead city is bussing out more migrants than gov. abbott

I never said the border was secure under Trump. What I said is if you would listen instead of spewing your rhetoric is that at least Trump was coming up with policies to try and get the border crises under control. Instead of telling me all the things Trump did that weren't successful (in your eyes anyway) tell me anything that Biden is doing to try and control the insanity that is happening at the border. if you do not believe we have a huge crisis at the border than you are just a lemming willing to walk off the cliff because your political leader tells you to do so. Oh yeah I forgot Biden did want to fire all the horseback border agents that were using their reins to control their horses as they tried cutting off illegals from coming across.

 

Actually, you did say that. You said he did it (referring to securing the border) "very successfully." So get your story straight.

Regardless, I don't care about pursuing some big government goal of a "secure border" that will never be accomplished. We waste too much money on it as is (we spend 10s if billions of dollars on an ineffective policy). The alternative solutions seem to fit into two buckets: spend less and mitigate some of the distortions in the market that arise from big government intervention or spend more and pretend that the next $10 billion will solve the problem when the last tens of billions of dollars did nothing to solve the problem. Sign me up for the former if those are my options.

 

You mean by rapidly providing aid to the migrants even though they had no advance?

 

You really make me laugh when you say you are not a big Government guy. Biden is the definition of big Government. Again you will not come up with one thing that Biden has done to help secure the border. You would rather say the border issue is unsolvable and move on. You talk about the Trump policies that in your opinion didn't work but you can't come up with one thing Biden has done to help the situation. We will never know just how successful the Trump policies would have been since Biden put an end to them on day one of his administration and he did it without any sort of a "better idea". Maybe if Trump had gotten one ounce of Democratic support we could have all worked together to resolve the issue. instead we get a crying AOC at the border spewing her nonsense and praying for the children. Where is her concern now for those children that are placed in human trafficking situations. How do you just blindly support a senile President that has no idea what is even happening at the border. You remind me of the 50 so called Democratic pundits that said "nothing to see here, it is Russian disinformation" when the Hunter Biden Laptop story came out.

 

Trump's policies were ineffective based on the number of undocumented immigrants who still resided here, and the number still crossing the border. Four years, no effect. Trump accomplished nothing but spending billions of dollars on a boondoggle wall that is now in mostly disrepair. The epitome of big government is spend a lot and accomplish nothing.

Want to actually change something on the border. Then first realize the fact that truly securing the border can't be accomplished unless we decide to militarize and patrol with thousands of troops 24/7. Willing to commit to that, then maybe we can stop the majority of people coming through illegally. Still won't stop asylum seekers who surrender to ICE and request asylum, as these people enter legally.

Another fact that must be addressed is our immigrant labor needs. It's ebbed and flowed, but 4 million immigrants brought in through the Bracero Program from the end of WW II through 1964. Then another 2 million estimated eligible for amnesty under Reagan (1 million actually took the amnesty). And about 8 million in our workforce today. These are facts. We have a demand for immigrant labor.

Accept these two facts and the most logical solution along the border isn't spending billions to secure it. Rather, it's creating another Bracero Program that allows the supply of labor to legally meet demand. Do so, and we will better control the flow of migrants along the border, thus making it more secure in the process. Doing this not only means not spending extra money, but actually, increasing tax revenues from the immigrants themselves. Monies that can be used to sure up entry ports, where most of the drugs are coming in.

Or, we can spend billions on failed policies that accomplish nothing?

 

You're comparing AOC taking a photo op at the border to DeSantis lying to asylum seekers to get them onto a flight, taking them to a place they never agreed to go, and then abandoning them there without alerting anybody? You're grasping at straws, as usual.

I don't remotely care what "this is about." DeSantis was cruel to asylum seekers, people who fled communism/socialism, in trying to achieve whatever his ridiculous goal was. But no, it wasn't actually about helping border communities. He picked up the asylum seekers in San Antonio, which isn't a border community.

What a clown response. He dropped these men, women, and children in an unfamiliar place---a place they didn't want to go and had no idea they were going to---with no warning to the people there, no resources in place to help them, and none of the benefits he promised them would be waiting (housing, jobs, food, money, etc.).

They had to walk miles to find a community center, and then the people in the community had to scramble to find people who even spoke the same language. Because the people of Martha's Vineyard are far better human beings than Ron DeSantis, they scrambled to help these people and did. But that doesn't make what DeSantis did any less cruel. Continue defending the modern "Reverse Freedom Rides."

And no, it isn't "cruel" for the Massachusetts government to help these people relocate to another place in the state where they have more resources, the ability to attend immigration hearings, and the ability to get to their actual destinations. At this point, I can only conclude that you're being dishonest when you make these claims. Due to that, I'm not wasting more time with you on this subject.

 

Fabulous. Another person who doesn't know what they're talking about. "When Biden sends plane loads of immigrants in the dead of night to cities that have no idea they are coming," he's doing that because there are shelters there for them. We have shelters throughout the United States. Guess what? Trump did the same thing. As did Obama before him.
Ex-CIA Contractor Makes Millions Flying Immigrant Kids to Shelters
'Ghost flights' are the latest GOP effort to weaponize immigration ahead of midterms

And there is no shutting down the border. Do you know how much commerce depends on the border being open? You'd cripple our economy, particularly in Texas. But hey, always fun to see people who know absolutely nothing about our immigration system pose simple solutions to fix it. Next, you'll tell me we can stop crime by shutting down criminals.

 

The preeminent chaos stunt is the Federal Govt not fully securing the border. As if you needed to be told.

 

Derp.

 

In this case, you are being the definition of Big Government. You certainly appear to be supporting massive government spending and employment increases with the goal of...what, exactly? Feeling better about the border?

I won't come up with one thing anybody has done to "secure the border" because it is an empty, nonsensical phrase. Nobody has stopped immigration, regardless of laws or how big they grew the government to attempt to enforce those laws.

It is solvable. By not trying to implement a ridiculous quota system and letting in people based on market conditions with basic background checks. That funnels the people who just want to work and live here into certain areas and allows us to isolate those not coming through those pathways. Instead, we make it essentially impossible for huge groups of people to supply labor to those who need labor or move to safer environments than where they are from, creating a larger and undifferentiated group containing both those that we should be keeping out and those we shouldn't.

You talked about Trump's policies working. Then claimed you didn't. Again, get your own story straight. Was the border secure in 2019, yes or no? If no, why were his policies not successful?

But he implemented them years before that. Were they successful during those years? If so, was the border secure during the migrant surge of 2019?

Now you have moved into the Gish Gallop, hoping that 5 weak points can be taken as 1 strong one because nobody wants to refute all of your weak points (which are mostly just images that emotionally got you angry). Sorry, it doesn't work that way around here. If you can actually get your story straight on the border, its status in the last administration, why you support bigger government to secure it now, etc., then we can discuss further.

 

I am sorry but Biden sent people on planes to non sanctuary cities. You just assume those people knew where they were going. He didn't have the common decency to even inform the Governors of those states that he was sending them to. DeSantis sends a bus load of people to a Sanctuary city and you are up in arms that a sanctuary city couldn't handle the 50 people they got. What makes you a sanctuary city if you can't handle 50 people. All those liberals had a great time exploiting those immigrants taking photo opportunities with them and then got the National Guard to to get rid of them before cocktail hour. If anyone is totally uniformed it is you my friend.

 

Even after being corrected, you double down. I'm not surprised. The sort of people who loudly bloviate about our border usually don't have much self awareness. I spent years living on the border helping to enforce our immigration laws. That's where my understanding of the system comes from. How about you?

 

Trump "judges" didn't let Biden end Trump's border policies. In fact, some of them are still in place. Others were just recently ended. So we know for a fact that Trump's policies don't work. Because people like you didn't just start whining about the "border crisis."
Judge blocks Biden administration from lifting public health order used to quickly expel migrants
Court upholds block on U.S. immigration enforcement priorities
Federal judge orders Biden administration to revive Trump-era border policy - CNNPolitics*
Federal judge indefinitely blocks enforcement of Biden administration’s 100-day deportation freeze

* - Ended in August 2022 after SCOTUS reversed.

Hate to break it to you, pal, but Trump's policies are in place and failing miserably.

 

You are such a typical democrat. Criticize the other side when they try to do things when they are in power and then hide your head in the sand and say nothing can be done when you have power. I never said Trumps policies weren't working you did. You will never know how the wall would of worked because the project was shut down before it was even finished and stay in Mexico was a very successful policy. You are kidding yourself if you believe that illegal drugs and criminals are not being brought across the border in unprecedented amounts since Biden has taken office. I understand you don't want to spend money on the border you would rather spend billions of dollars on Green Energy policies that do nothing but harm the country while you get on your knees and beg dirty oil producing countries to up their supply of energy instead. We produced the cleanest energy in the world but you rather up supply from countries that hurt the planet the most. You are such a bunch of hypocrites. The country is falling apart right before your very eyes and all you can do is spend every waking minute trying to keep Trump from running (and winning) again. You are so brainwashed by the liberal mainstream media that you can't even come up with one coherent idea that will actually work for this country. One simple question that I know you don't want to answer. Is your life better now than it was right before Covid came along.

 

First of all you didn't correct anything. You just like hearing the sound of your own computer keys. Are you saying that you are an immigration lawyer that made his living helping illegal immigrants. Sure hope you weren't responsible for helping a criminal immigrant come into this country and commit crimes against our citizens. Don't assume you know anything about me because you don't. Exactly what did you do to help our immigration laws since in your mind there is no need for immigration laws.

 

Don't assume I know anything about you? Okay. I won't assume. How much time have you spent living on the U.S.-Mexico border?

And no, lawyers who defend asylum seekers in immigration court don't "enforce" immigration laws by any definition of the word. Derp. I was working for the federal government.

But please, carry on projectile vomiting ignorance all over this thread.

 

Hate to break it to you pal but Trump is not in charge right now and everything Biden has done at the Border has been a sore eye for this country. ask the border agents how much Biden has stifled them at every turn. I think it is so rich that you still want to blame Trump for every bad decision that Biden makes.

 

It's impressive how you can manage to quote a post without understanding a single word in it. I'm beginning to doubt your literacy and starting to feel pity for you. Enjoy your night.

 

You know what the fall back strategy is for all you diehard liberals is. Name calling. When you can't make a salient point you fall back on ole reliable. Call the other side names. You are quite the class act. I asked a simple question earlier. NAME ONE THING BIDEN HAS DONE TO HELP THE BORDER SITUATION. Since you could not answer that simple question you fall back on your typical personal attacks. Let me help you answer my simple question. He hasn't done a damn thing and since you know that already you say well there is nothing that can be done. With that answer I assume you were real effective in your job whatever it was.