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We’re in the wrong business (payout to former Arky OC Dan Enos)

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by bobbybaker86, Oct 23, 2023.

  1. Skink

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    Ahhh the cockiness and ignorance of youth. One reality that hasn’t gone by the way of the dinosaur is a little thing called supply and demand. You speak to it without even realizing that you are. Here’s a little homework assignment Coop: give some thought to the potential reasons why even mediocre coaches are getting such high salaries, and then get back to us with your answers. Oh - and by all means feel free to “think outside the box” — gee, what an innovative concept LOL
     
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  2. orangeblue_coop

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    Because the people in charge are stupid? Lol
     
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  3. tegator80

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    Definitely not 2-3 million times 85.
     
  4. Skink

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    Come on Coop, even you can do better than that
     
  5. partdopy

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    I kinda think this is a very short sighted view for a sport struggling to find a place with the under 30 crew but short sightedness seems in nowadays.

    Wonder what happens in 25 years when they've chased off the fans that don't enjoy professional sports and the current boosters are all dead.
     
  6. partdopy

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    This guy doesn't understand how supply and demand works but he's not entirely wrong. Coach salaries skyrocketed because the kids who lived and died by quality college football as students are in their 50s and 60s and have money. They used this money to cause a bubble in their favorite form of entertainment.
     
  7. Wanne15

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    Of course not but every major team has a few players getting that type of money and a bunch getting maybe 50-100k. You didn’t throw out a payroll number. 20 mil for a team with a chance for actually winning?30? What’s it cost? We really don’t know but top 300 players are getting substantial paychecks across the board.
     
  8. Wanne15

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    It’s just capitalism. It’s not suppose to be , take from the rich to support the poor who refuse to participate. Football is losing its fanbase regardless because not nearly as many play the sport as when we were kids. Most fans of any sport played said sport as a kid. Almost everyone I knew could play football as a kid. We played sandlot into our early twenties.Now, not so much. Half the kids now can’t play any sports and they aren’t interested.
    Make a 30-40 team league that can truly support itself and only play each other and play real games every week. No one is interested in games that would be illegal if it were boxing. Half the games played are complete mismatches that seems like hunting a caged animal to me. There’s only a minority of teams that actually want to compete anyway. Let the other 80 pretenders play amateur football and don’t put them on the schedule.
    Then fans can decide if they want to watch the top 30 paid teams or watch the secondary division, or even the third division down. Half the teams that are referred to as a power 5 team is a complete joke.
     
  9. tegator80

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    I will only say what I have said plenty of times here. What we are seeing is nothing more than the first act of a three or four act play. The current theme is "the inmates are running the asylum." But the second act is going to be a couple of the finance folks who will do their due diligence and figure out they are receiving from their investment. And that is when the fun begins. Some programs won't have "those folks" and others will. And I am quite confident that we have them already doing the analytics whereas Bama, UGa, Clemson, OSU, and likely Michigan and Oklahoma are going to say "damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!" But for every Manning that gets signed, there is going to be a player who is going to get cut. Why? because that is the only way to make it work. And that is going to evolve into a players union.

    And then on to Act 3 and maybe Act 4: The "what else is there for me to do besides rooting for mercenaries" winddown. It should be entertaining for many of us. At least those of us who can think for ourselves.
     
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  10. Wanne15

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    You are perfectly describing how NFL went through their evolution. And yes, it will be the same thing and it is already happening.
    The NFL by the way, gives 51% to the players and Florida football generates about 100 million a year. And that does not count the boosters.
     
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    The real issue, IMO, is that the remaining sports, except for men's basketball (not including UConn) are beholden to the revenue from football. It is always a delicate balance between what football requires and what the university desires.
     
  12. Wanne15

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    The vast majority of schools that do not generate money with football. Find a way to play other sports. That’s what boosters are for. Football supports itself.
     
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    And 51% by the way is about 50 million to the players per year. Texas A&M supposedly spent $30 million on just a recruiting class of true freshman that we’re not actually playing. Don’t you think the other guys on the roster we’re already getting paid. I think a lot of people would be surprised to see what the actual payroll is per year for the top 20 teams.
     
  14. partdopy

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    Yes it's capitalism, but public universities aren't really a business. Few athletic departments are profitable and the ones that are would be smart to remember that they're profitable because of their association with the university, not the other way around. Mixing pure capitalism and something that isn't (public universities) probably won't pan out well over the medium to long term. That's just my guess though.

    This isn't the NFL where the brand exists for the team. If I didn't grow up sneaking into Florida games in the 3rd after ticket takers went to watch I would have given it up years ago but habits die hard right.
     
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    The top twenty teams don’t belong in the conversation or the playing field with the rest. It’s a different business model and it’s big business that generates over 100 mil for each team while carrying the dead weight of all the other teams and they support entire athletic depts. I don’t see them pulling the dead weight too much longer. Why should they, the bottom feeders offer nothing and want handouts.
     
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    You're not wrong but breaking off the 25 teams that are profitable will not be a profitable business model. College football isn't about the football as much as the college, or at least it wasn't. There's a reason every professional league outside of the NFL has failed, and it looks to me like they're just trying the same thing here with extra steps.

    Anyone can beat their rivals if they just pay for better players. That's not entertaining imo. Entertaining sports is watching coaches actually coach their student athletes and use strategy, innovation and coaching skills to win. I could win an NCAA championship as a coach with a big enough salary cap.
     
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  17. Wanne15

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    That’s what we’ve been watching all along and it’s made it no less profitable. Playing scrubs doesn’t generate any tv money and only pads records. The top teams generate all the tv money and only when they play ranked teams.
     
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    For now. We'll see how that pans out long term. They're still generating revenue on legacy fans.

    We can agree to disagree though, we both appreciate the game differently and that's ok. I forgive you for being wrong since you're a fellow Gator.
     
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  19. Wanne15

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    No doubt tge fanbase is firing out. Look in the stands, we are old. Kids don’t play football like they use to. Less players means less future fans. Half the teenagers today throw like a girl.
     
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