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Water Wars - Mexico

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jun 16, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    Apparently, he believes that Florida is an emotionally fragile state, and he is willing to do anything to protect us from the twin horrors of illegal immigrants and Mickey Mouse, not to mention the word we aren't supposed to say.
     
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    He has actually gotten praise from some environmental folks for his budget approval for several strong environmental programs like land purchases, springs protection and restoration, and Everglades restoration. Where I think he is failing environmentally is maintaining the republican reduction in environmental enforcement. In particular, the issue I’m most familiar with and worried about is the lack of compliance by developers and their engineers to ensure storm water treatment systems actually function as they were designed and permitted to do. Twenty+ years ago state regulators required such storm water management systems to be recertified by the design professionals every few years. That requirement is still a condition of permit issuance but there is no enforcement of this requirement. I am not a fan of bureaucracy but this is an exception for me. Our water bodies here in FL are hurting.
     
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  3. dynogator

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    Well said. I think he'd get a much more favorable reception from moderates/independents if he'd switch his persona from anti-woke warrior to eco-warrior.
     
  4. G8trGr8t

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    As someone who designs and certifies these systems we, in the 20+ years, have never had to recertify. The problem with our waters are big ag(cattle included) not being required to do anything, no septic system inspections, and land application of wastewater sludge. It is not development as that is the only sector that actually has to treat and attenuate runoff.
    Ps, I just secured a permit for 5500 acres and nowhere in the special conditions or permit conditions does it say anything about recertification, just like every other ERP I have ever been granted
     
  5. chemgator

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    I would settle for a responsible governor. Obviously, protecting the environment is important, but there are other issues that need to be addressed, too. He has done nothing about high property insurance rates, for one thing.
     
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    I agree that big ag is a main culprit in WQ degradation, but statute gives them a big out and politics keeps that status quo. I disagree on whether or not you should have been doing recerts, though. I haven’t worked outside the NWFWMD in ten years but before then I did projects in all the other WMDs and at least one of them (SWFWMD) actually sent automatic notification to all permittees and EORs that recert was due in 90 days. I just pulled up two random ERPs, one 2022 and one 2023, and both have the standard “Inspections by a Registered Professional” condition. Your experience seems to be just what I was talking about. There is no enforcement/tracking any more to ensure that the inspections and recertification occur. Without this activity dry ponds grow fish and frogs, and wet ponds silt in and become completely covered in nuisance/exotic plant species. If your 5500 acre ERP included stormwater mgmt, look at the conditions around #20+; that’s where the two I just checked are found. You might not have had to do a recert because your clients (permittees) are not abiding by their permits and there is no longer permit agency follow-up. I think Rick Scott eliminated this agency action to be more development friendly during his administration. Edit: All you guys in consulting should be tracking the permits you help clients get and getting your clients to hire you to recertify your designs every three to five years. Easy money…as long as your design is sound.
     
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    Az guvnr finally pulls water permits for KSA alfalfa farms.

    Arizona governor blocks Saudi Arabia from pumping water in the drought-stricken state: ‘It’s unacceptable’ (msn.com)

    Arizona has taken a stand on irresponsible groundwater use, canceling the lease of Saudi-owned farm Fondomonte, which had essentially unrestricted access to Arizona water supplies.

    After the farm violated lease terms, the Associated Press reported, the state determined that Fondomonte would no longer have unchecked access to groundwater for its alfalfa farms and that three more similar leases under the company’s name would also not be renewed next year.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    Mexico, suffering through a drought, is refusing to honor water treaty to send water to Rio Grande Valley and that has eliminated the sugar industry there and is causing serious economic harm to the ag valley

    Border crisis worsens as Mexico dries out south Texas farmers (msn.com)

    Last month, Texas’ last sugar mill announced it was shutting down as a result. Because Mexico wasn’t releasing water as required by the treaty, south Texas growers didn’t have enough water to grow their crops, forcing more than 100 sugar growers out of business, 500 workers out of jobs and the Rio Grande Valley to lose an initial $100 million in economic losses.

    On Tuesday, primarily Democratic state lawmakers urged U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to enforce the treaty, saying the water shortage wasn’t just devastating the agricultural community but also “in our fast-growing region, development is beginning to slow.”

    In a joint letter led by Democratic state Rep. Terry Canales, they expressed “deep concern” about “ongoing challenges related to water delivery and the apparent noncompliance” with the treaty. “We are disappointed to observe a persistent shortfall in the delivery of water to our region, specifically an average of 350,000 acre-feet annually,” as stipulated in the treaty. “The scarcity of water in our region has far-reaching implications for agriculture, ecosystems, and communities on both sides of the border” and “strongly urged” the State Department “to take immediate and effective action to rectify the situation.”
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    The agricultural industry in the Rio Grande Valley contributes roughly $1 billion annually to the economy and provides roughly 8,400 full-time jobs, Canales said. But it’s not just the agricultural community that’s in jeopardy, he added. Mission’s city council members are planning to impose a moratorium on all new residential and commercial developments built on over five acres of land citing the water shortage. Other communities are also facing similar challenges, he said. Without water, “we are perilously close to losing a crucial economic pillar and immediate action is imperative.
     
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    If only water could cross the border as easy as immigrants.
     
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    It is easier to cross the river with Mexico keeping more water out of the river, thereby supporting the immigrant migration and their cartel economy…;)
     
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    Redlands, Colorado
    This past Monday an additional 3 feet of snow fell on the Grand Mesa, but spring in the valley is bringing warmer temperatures and the annual melt has begun. The combined flow of the Colorado and Gunnison rivers flowing through Grand Junction is swelling the rivers' banks. Currently the flow through the city is estimated at 17,000 cubic feet per second.
     
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    Build a wall, I have it on good authority Mexico will pay for it.
     
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