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Warhol ruling today

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by danmanne65, May 18, 2023.

  1. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

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    I am no legal scholar but I like all the opinions that I read today on the ruling if Warhol violated the photographers copyright on her commercial work. I don’t think I know enough to have a feel for how the ruling should go but I enjoyed reading all the opinions.
     
  2. docspor

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    only saw the headline, but I like the topic. I'll check it out.
     
  3. docspor

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    speaking of which....I thought this was interesting.

    Creep


    so, these guys get royalties now due to the similarities with their tune & creep (strokes' guy's dad was a co-writer)



    But then....this is where it gets interesting.

    In what’s threatening to become the next “Blurred Lines,” there’s a new hotly contested copyright dispute brewing that involves two powerful names in music, as well as one of the defining songs of the ’90s. Lana Del Rey revealed last weekend that Radiohead is suing her over similarities between her Lust for Life album closer “Get Free” and the band’s most-known hit, “Creep.” In her tweet, she accused Radiohead of coming after an astounding 100 percent of the song’s publishing rights after she said she had offered 40 percent, saying “their lawyers have been relentless,” with the possibility that the song could be removed from future physical copies of the album. Her response: “We will deal with it in court.”



    so, radiohead is gettin' their spectacles foggy over the song they ripped off being ripped off????
     
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  4. danmanne65

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    The issue to my feeble mind was did Warhol’s work transform the original work enough to be considered art on its own
     
  5. docspor

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    this branch of law is very interesting. it seems really hard to balance the property rights between the various parties. In a lot of cases it is handled amicably between the parties. Summer Girl by Haim uses dialogue from their family friend, Paul Thomas Anderson. the women offered him a cut & he said that they recontextualized it enough to make it their own. (sidebar: it is cool that that song is a reconstruction of Walk on the Wild Side).

    2 more.

    Petty was pretty cool about the Strokes tune that "ripped off" American girl

    Dylan was pretty cool about the old 97s "ripoff"

    How Tom Petty handed The Strokes their biggest song


    Old 97s' Rhett Miller found unexpected inspiration in 'Desolation Row'

    don't know the law, etc., but thank god for all these cool songs
     
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    Just listened. Def an element or two that is very similar. She channelled a bit of the tempo at the beginning and even a riff mid-song.

    But I don’t think I’d call that egregious. The meat of the song is not Creep.

    40% seems generous, IMO.
     
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  7. docspor

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    Agree. Then there is the issue of pure coincidence. Here's a good 1.

    NYTBR, July 17, 1966, pp 24, 26

    To the Editor:

    In a recent letter to the editor, Romain Gary asserts that I took the name "Genghis Cohen" from a novel of his to use in a novel of mine, "The Crying of Lot 49." Mr. Gary is totally in error. I took the name Genghis Cohen from the name of Genghis Khan (1162-1227), the well-known Mongol warrior and statesman. If Mr. Gary really believes himself to be the only writer at present able to arrive at a play on words this trivial, that is another problem entirely, perhaps more psychiatric than literary, and I certainly hope he works it out.

    Thomas Pynchon,

    New York City.
     
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    Take a listen to Bryan Adams "All I want is You".

    The whole song sounds just like a song from Def Leppard's Adrenalize or Hysteria albums.
    (Even with the identical "You and me babe" line from "pour some sugar on me".)

    But it wasnt Adams ripping off Leppard. It is Mutt Lange's production work.

    That is often why songs have similarities. Especially with someone like Lange. His fingerprints are all over a plethora of recent pop history. And his sound comes through regardless of the artist. But that Adam's record could just have the guys from Leppard play the exact same songs and it would have been a hit album sounding quite similar.

    Actually Adams and Joe Elliot(Leppard) actually sound similar vocally if you take a minute and think about it on Lange projects.
     
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