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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. G8trGr8t

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    more internal assassinations happening

    Another Putin Crony Dead: Aide Responsible for Internet and Phone Tapping Found Dead in Second Mysterious Death in 48 Hours (msn.com)

    Anton Cherepennikov, a multi-millionaire and key figure in Vladimir Putin's spying operation, was found dead in his office in Moscow, RadarOnline.com has learned. This marks the second mysterious death in just 48 hours in Russia.

    Cherepennikov, 40, was known as a high-risk gambler and a sinister figure within the Russian elite. He was the owner of most systems for wiretapping phones and storing internet traffic in Russia.

    His business, Citadel holding company, was described as having "almost a monopoly on the wiretapping of Russians." Working closely with Putin's feared FSB security service, his employees included key figures trained by the counterintelligence service.
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

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    another ammo dump and fuel depot is destroyed in Crimea.

    Drone hits Crimean ammunition depot as strikes kill, wound civilians and journalists in Ukraine (msn.com)

    A Ukrainian drone strike Saturday caused a massive explosion at an ammunition depot in Russia-annexed Crimea, forcing the evacuation of nearby homes in the latest attack since Moscow canceled a landmark grain deal amid Kyiv's grinding efforts to retake its occupied territories.

    The attack on the depot in central Crimea sent huge plumes of black smoke skyward and came five days after Ukraine struck a key bridge that links Russia to the peninsula it illegally annexed in 2014 and after Moscow suspended a wartime deal that allowed Ukraine to safely export its grain through the Black Sea.
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    The Ukrainian military took credit for the strike, saying it destroyed an oil depot and Russian military warehouses in Oktyabrske, in the Krasnohvardiiske region of Crimea, though without specifying which weapons it used.

    A Crimean news channel posted videos Saturday showing plumes of smoke billowing above rooftops and fields near Oktyabrske, a small settlement next to an oil depot and a small military airport, as loud explosions rumbled in the background. In one video, a man can be heard saying the smoke and blast noises seemed to be coming from the direction of the airport.
     
  3. l_boy

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    So who is killing all these people? Putin? Why is he eliminating all of his cronies?
     
  4. okeechobee

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    Wagner mutiny: Junior commander reveals his role in the challenge to Putin

    So junior commanders inside Wagner had no idea about the "coup" operation on the day of. Zero resistance at the Russian border. Sounds perfectly legit.

    By now, the CIA and the Pentagon have obviously figured this out as well and rather than calling it what it is, they are still pushing the narrative that this was a legitimate coup attempt and a blow to Putin's power structure. Educate yourself. If you know anything about Wagner's origins, their history, you understand this wasn't a coup. And lol if you think Vlad Putin would allow Prigozhin to walk away unscathed, WITH A MERCENARY ARMY in tow, if this was a real coup attempt. We're being lied to.
     
  5. G8trGr8t

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    Goid question. It seems there is a war between the FSB and the military but that is just my speculation. There are likely power factions of some sort targeting each other vying for post putin positions
     
  6. mutz87

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    In the nature of being a despot. Basically no one is safe, crony or not because authoritarians basically trust no one.
     
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  7. chemgator

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    Stalin did the same thing, and he was on the winning side of a war. Obviously, it must work. (More likely, Putin has a bad case of paranoia after the mutiny.)
     
  8. chemgator

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    I don't think it was a coup directed against Putin. Prigo was going to capture a couple of top generals, and that's it. It had the potential to turn into a coup, which of course made everyone nervous. I'll stand by my previous statement that Putin would NOT have fled Moscow if this was an arranged event.
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    Danish source …

     
  10. CHFG8R

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    Where is the evidence that we are making or made them keep fighting? Because everything I'm hearing is the opposite, that we've come to this conclusion but they haven't? My understanding is Zelensky is the moderate here and that those who would replace him are even more staunchly anti-Russian and pro-war.

    Also, I'm not buying that the sole reason for this was to feed money to the defense industry. That feels a lot like a trope.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Zelensky regime takes out its own church in Odessa. Naturally Western MSM leaps to blame it on Russia.
     
  12. homer

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    Made me look. Lol
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    Singaporean source …

     
  14. GatorJMDZ

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    If it had gained momentum or it appeared the military was onboard, Putin would have been targeted.
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    this is why they need atacms. more of this
    reports I have read recently is there is political will but a claimed lack of supply that is preventing the transfer of ATACMS. The stormshadows are doing this much. multiple strikes on fuel and ammunition depots along with command and control structures (hotel where general was blown up). need more of this with atacms.

    Is Ukraine restricted from using stormshadow on the bridge or will they not reach it?

    Ukrainian forces disrupt Russian logistics by hitting targets behind their lines – ISW (msn.com)

    Ukrainian officials said on 22 July that Ukraine's campaign to intercept Russian military targets in rear areas was successfully disrupting Russian logistics and counter-battery defences, working to Ukraine's advantage.

    Colonel Serhii Baranov, Chief of the Main Directorate of Rocket Forces and Artillery and Unmanned Systems of the General Staff of Ukraine, stated that Ukrainian Rocket Forces and Artillery were responsible for approximately 90% of Russian losses.

    He said that Ukrainian rocket and artillery units have created a long-range "fire fist" with Western high-precision missiles and artillery systems, noting that Ukrainian strikes have become so strong and accurate to the point that Russian forces can no longer conduct effective counter-battery fire.

    Nataliia Humeniuk, Head of the Joint press centre of the Defence Forces of Ukraine's south, said that Ukrainian strikes on Russian ammunition storage points in the deep rear are generating logistical problems for the Russian military.
     
  16. duggers_dad

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  17. PITBOSS

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    this church?

    “The damage is as colossal as the Cathedral itself. The cracks along its walls represent the strain Odesa has found itself under after a week of constant attacks from the skies.“

    Moscow has been launching near-constant attacks on Odesa since it withdrew from a landmark grain deal on Monday.

    A strike earlier this week destroyed some 60,000 tonnes of grain, officials said.“



    Russian strikes hit historic Odesa cathedral - BBC News

    https://www.npr.org/2023/07/23/1189...-has-killed-one-and-badly-damaged-a-cathedral
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    Yahoo explanation: Russia targeting churches with multi-million dollar missiles it’s supposed to be running out of.

    Logical explanation: Ukrainian AD missile fired at Russian missile, misses and succumbs to gravity.
     
  19. duggers_dad

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    A Brit …