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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. dingyibvs

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  2. duggers_dad

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    Earlier article explains why Russia has used only a fraction of its 700k or more troops that are in theatre. Answer: it’s waiting for NATO to enter the fray.
     
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  3. uftaipan

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    I don’t have any information on the subject that isn’t open source, but artillery is where I would put my money. In both world wars, even with all of the city bombings and two atomic bombs, artillery was the greatest the cause of casualties, according to a couple of classes I’ve had on supporting arms. I’m told the same was true for Korea and Vietnam, too. Given that neither belligerent has achieved superiority in the air, my money is on artillery in this one.
     
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  4. chemgator

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    So you've managed to prove that Putin is an imbecile, incapable of third grade logic. Or is he more of a twisted genius, capable of twisting facts 180 degrees until everything he says is meaningless? Keep shoveling Putin's propaganda, and pretend it isn't getting on your shoes.
     
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  5. demosthenes

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    Seems like a perfect use for drones. They don’t need to be stationary.
     
  6. Gatorhead

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    Well I know the US is supplying Ukraine a fairly sophisticated (decoy drone) that has been effectively used against anti aircraft systems. The internet has numerous images of crashed US examples.
     
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  7. 92gator

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    Well that would explain all those tanks going to scrap.

    Just decoys.

    Brilliant!

    :monkey:
     
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  8. chemgator

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    Russian general gathers troops to hear a motivational speech before a major assault and keeps them waiting two hours, and then Ukraine gives a "motivational speech" before the general shows up. About 100 soldiers are believed to be relaxed by the speech, brought to them by someone named Art Tillery and another named HI MARS. Art got a little loud with them.

    Russian military bloggers are losing their minds over reports that a Russian unit was blasted by artillery while waiting 2 hours for their commander to give a motivational speech

     
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  9. chemgator

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    Russian children make good use of Sunday school to practice their bayonet skills. Not to be outdone by China, which has been using its version of Boy Scouts to teach children how to bayonet the enemy, Russia is using the Russian Orthodox Church to teach children how to bayonet the enemy. Fortunately, the anti-war priests were removed from any positions of influence over the Nazi-like activity. Everyone is welcome, except for Jews, blacks, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Americans, Europeans, and other people too smart to teach their children how to use a bayonet against their neighbors.

    Russian children swap Bibles for bayonet practice at Sunday school

     
  10. PITBOSS

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    that’s surprisingly dumb. They should know basically how far HiMARs can travel. Maybe they didn’t think any were in range?
     
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    The unclassified range of a HIMARS is 300km (about 190 miles), and the classified range might be almost twice that (no idea). That first number is a bit farther than the distance from Jacksonville to Tallahassee. If you were to hold all of your formations that far from the front, you aren’t going to be very effective as an army. The key, then, is not trying to stay out of rocket artillery range, but rather to camouflage your position, reduce your electronic signal, and not stay in the same place for too long.
     
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    Some disturbing reads from Tyler Rogoway. Hoping this turns



     
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  13. dingyibvs

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    Maybe you're thinking of the ATACMS munitions, which we haven't given to Ukraine. The 227mm rockets we've given to Ukraine don't have nearly that much range.

    With that said, I agree that the best way to avoid that is to not present a target. Either with camouflage or just not gather tightly. The Storm Shadows and probably drones should be able to strike anywhere in Ukraine, so getting out of range is not an answer.
     
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    In terms of vehicle losses Polish military publicist said it was something like 70% artillery, 20% mines, then 10% by the rest. This correlates with Oryx figures, which last I saw had about 2000 losses, out of which about 1400 were by artillery, 400 to mines, and 200 to tanks, Javelins, etc.
     
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    Surprised they can’t slow it down or not prepped with at least more MANPADS if they can’t get SHORADs
     
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    Guy walks into a bar wearing a yellow and blue t-shirt and sporting an “I got my Covid vaccine” sticker and says, “Russians are being Nazis!”

    Bah-dah-bing! He’ll be here all week!
     
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    The Russians have adjusted, their helicopters are now much better at deflecting MANPADS. A few days ago there was a report about how a Ka-52 deflected 18 MANPADS shots in one sortie. That's probably an exaggeration, but it's clear that they're operating much more effectively now.

    The Russian EW has clearly gotten considerably better overall. You also see far fewer Ukrainian drone attack videos on Russian armored vehicles. They're also making >1000 new tanks a year. I think the only area their MIC still hasn't stepped up nearly enough is in aircrafts.
     
  18. chemgator

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    It may have something to do with a child's mentality: I can't see him, so he can't see me.

    I'm sure the hierarchy of the Russian military also plays a part: no one questions the general, even if he gets distracted for two hours and the troops are sitting ducks.
     
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    I would think that some of the IFV's could be outfitted with AA guns, if electronic warfare is preventing Stinger missiles and similar equipment from working. EW equipment can't reason with simple bullets. A tank could also tow an AA unit behind it, and provide some minimal level of protection.
     
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    EW can’t mitigate the risk of a Stinger or any other infrared-guided missile, only RADAR-guided weapons. Flares are not effective either for reasons we won’t get into here. The only active unclassified countermeasures are terrain masking and combined arms, such as coordination with artillery to suppress likely areas where shooters might be. Stingers are nasty little weapons for helicopters.
     
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