Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,302
    13,209
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    Sounds like he's singing the same tune at cpac.. Shocking!
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  2. GatorBen

    GatorBen Premium Member

    6,231
    1,007
    2,968
    Apr 9, 2007
    Apparently Ukraine destroyed a column of 56 tanks being operated by a Chechen unit of Rosgvardiya that Tushayev was commanding.

    And apparently the western intelligence agencies knew the Chechen’s battle plans for the invasion because the Chechen commanders and Kadyrov were planning it by sending each other unencrypted Android voice notes…

    BBC has written an article about those voice notes, which include Kadyrov being told of concerns that some Chechen troops may refuse orders or desert once in Ukraine.
     
    • Informative Informative x 8
    • Like Like x 1
  3. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    14,114
    5,240
    3,208
    Nov 25, 2017
    Ukraine does have a history of corruption. Including in its government. That was particularly true when the Russians dominated its government. And after 2014, there were corrupt officials still involved there. Recall the prosecution being removed at the behest of the E.U. and US and Biden taking credit for driving him. Part of the 2020 Trump related scandal was concern over the effect that the anti-corruption efforts by Zelensky would be corrupted. But, Zelensky held firm in the face of the pressure and he is holding firm now in a very courageous way. But, if you want to understand how Putin and his Oligarchs got rich, a very interring start is Bill Browder's book Red Notice. He explains how his investment business was stolen and the use of state apparatuses to accomplish the theft. Ukraine May have it’s corruption issues, but it has a democratically elected government and a leadership trying to change it.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  4. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    14,114
    5,240
    3,208
    Nov 25, 2017
    Good old fashioned SIGNET.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  5. channingcrowderhungry

    channingcrowderhungry Premium Member

    8,986
    2,017
    3,013
    Apr 3, 2007
    Bottom of a pint glass
    I wish this wouldn't leak so they'd keep sending unencrpyted messages
     
    • Agree Agree x 12
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  6. Emmitto

    Emmitto VIP Member

    8,944
    1,677
    933
    Apr 3, 2007
    NASA and Roscosmos rank and file have virtually zero friction. All the way to the people on the ISS. They are scientists and professionals. They have nerd warfare, higher end D&D.

    And NASA director, including Trump’s, are mostly pros too. I actually liked Bridenstine, he was essentially ignored since there was not an obvious path to grift, and he did an admirable job. Nelson is a pro too.

    Roscosmos is legit but also a state puppet, and the quasi-privatization of our own space industry runs counter to Russia and China.

    It is not surprising that Russia would squeal like this for PR, hoping the pro-Putin US suckers will forward it on FB.

    In reality, this is an absurd threat.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  7. Emmitto

    Emmitto VIP Member

    8,944
    1,677
    933
    Apr 3, 2007
    I bet that since we’re now breaking down the tape, that particular game is over.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. GatorBen

    GatorBen Premium Member

    6,231
    1,007
    2,968
    Apr 9, 2007
    Agreed, although it shouldn’t take a BBC story for them to know unencrypted voice messages are not secure. That story is basically “Chechen warlords are idiots.”
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 2
  9. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

    22,984
    5,631
    3,488
    Apr 3, 2007
    My question is how fast that western weaponry can get there. You would think the stuff from Germany, Netherlands and other Western Europe locations might be there already if they really put a rush on it, but the stuff from us, Australia etc, could be days.
    They need it yesterday.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    8,803
    1,066
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    I agree but at the same time the Chechen forces are such a small portion of the offensive that I doubt it really matters.
     
  11. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    8,803
    1,066
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    I wonder how they will deliver them to Kyiv and other areas? Best way to prevent an intercept is through the air but that risks an engagement with Russian air units.
     
  12. Emmitto

    Emmitto VIP Member

    8,944
    1,677
    933
    Apr 3, 2007
    I hope this is true, but I doubt it.

    56 tanks is already sketchy. We did this as theater in Iraq because there was no chance of an event like this.

    If true, then the Russian brass is amateur hour.
     
  13. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    I would think just get them into Poland & since Ukraine closed the border to only Ukrainians have citizens bring in the stuff from there? Slower but you're right- anything by air would get shot at.
     
  14. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

    22,984
    5,631
    3,488
    Apr 3, 2007
    I would bet helicopter from the SW.

     
    • Informative Informative x 3
  15. g8rjd

    g8rjd GC Hall of Fame

    7,743
    648
    1,193
    Jan 20, 2008
    Tallahassee, FL
    So, you’re saying they could have used more…oh, I don’t know…javelins, for example?
     
  16. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    8,803
    1,066
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    You have to remember that the puppet Chechen leader is in fact an idiot.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Funny Funny x 2
  17. GatorBen

    GatorBen Premium Member

    6,231
    1,007
    2,968
    Apr 9, 2007
    I suspect “tanks” is probably inaccurate. Tushayev commanded a motorized regiment, so most of that is probably some form of armored infantry vehicles.
     
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Agree Agree x 2
  18. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

    22,984
    5,631
    3,488
    Apr 3, 2007
    SIAP

     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
  19. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    8,803
    1,066
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    Let them have their fun but I wish they’d attack things more substantial than informational websites.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
  20. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

    22,984
    5,631
    3,488
    Apr 3, 2007
     
    • Informative Informative x 4