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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. VAg8r1

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  2. duggers_dad

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    Putin can’t stop winning. Russians who hate him purging themselves.
     
  3. VAg8r1

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    Russia will almost certainly drive the Ukrainians from Bakhmut although in doing so Putin's boys will have suffered huge losses. Vlad's is willing to sacrifice as many Russian men as it takes to achieve his goal. The question going forward is when will the Russian people decide that they no longer want to sacrifice any more of their sons, husbands and brothers to satisfy Putin's ego. As previously mentioned Russians are fleeing their country at a rate not seen since the Bolshevik revolution and the numbers will only increase going forward.
     
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  4. VAg8r1

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    And the numbers will only increase as Vlad sends more and more poorly trained troops to their slaughter.
     
  5. exiledgator

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    Feels like Verdun, where the Germans set up the battle to allow the French to slowly advance at massive costs. "Bleed the French White", I believe was the plan.
     
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    Erdogan may lose power over this earthquake. What will take his place? Someone more amenable to Fins and Swedes joining NATO?
     
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    Troop losses trope. Also: “You just wait!” trope.
     
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    It might, but Turks are not bowed up against Russians like Westerners are ...

    https://www.ipsos.com/en/war-in-ukraine-january-2023
     
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    True, that was the plan. It briefed well. Didn’t work out that way.
     
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    Yep, opposite effect in Bakhmut. Wagner perfectly content to keep the “meat grinder” going as long as Ukraine is determined to feed troops into it. Biden could stop this at any time.
     
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    Victory wasn't gained but France was bled.
     
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    And now your “sources” have Biden commanding the Russian war plan?! You may want to have someone check your backyard garden for “impurities “.
     
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    I'm probably getting confused but trying to follow along with the logic here.

    Ukraine is fine with being part of Russia, and doesn't really want to fight, but they're doing so because the US is forcing them. Is that right?
     
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    So it's all Victoria Nuland's fault because she and the US supported the Ukrainians when they threw out the corrupt Russian puppet, Viktor Yanukovych. Got it. I would also add that the column is from 2015. Parry referred to Yanukovych as the democratically elected president of Ukraine and while that description is not inaccurate, in 2014 the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove him from office by a vote of 328-0 with the remaining members parliament apparently abstaining. Yanukovych claimed the vote was illegal after which Russia referred to it as coup and intervened occupying part of the Donbas and Crimea and if I recall last year it wasn't Nuland, Obama or Biden who sent tens of thousands of Russian troops into Ukraine.

    Although I guess it's slightly off-topic below is a picture of Yanukovych's home prior to the 2014 revolution. Who said that corruption doesn't have its benefits.
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    Yanukovych was a sideshow. This is the war that the US wanted ... and is now losing ...

    Caitlin Johnstone: What the MSM Can No Longer Say - scheerpost.com
     
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    As February 1, the Wagner Group suffered an estimated 4,100 dead and 10,000 wounded. It's more like it's the Wagner Group that's feeding troops into the meat grinder but I guess that will probably continue as long as it can recruit convicts and non-Russian mercenaries and once again let's not forget the poorly trained cannon fodder that Putin is conscripting into the regular Russian army.
    'Just to survive': Wagner fighters recount the horrors of battle in eastern Ukraine | CNN
    Captured Wagner soldier tells how convicts used as 'cannon fodder'
     
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    Yeah, but so was Germany. Big time. That wasn’t part of the plan. The plan was to cause disproportionate casualties to the French by acting as if they were going to take Verdun — an objective they knew France had to defend at all costs — and then chewing up the French with artillery when reinforcements came toward Verdun. Instead, the generals in the field either didn’t understand the plan or thought better of it and tried to make a concerted effort to take the city, ending up with enormous casualties of their own.
     
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