Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Hi there... Can you please quickly check to make sure your email address is up to date here? Just in case we need to reach out to you or you lose your password. Muchero thanks!

War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,822
    1,958
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    We gave them one of our drones during the war in Afghanistan. It did not occur to the U.S. military at the time that another entity could hack into their unprotected drone communications and take over the drone. One drone flew too close to the Iranian border, and Iran hacked it and redirected it to land inside Iran. I'm sure their drone is a copy of the one they stole from us.
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,461
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Why surprised ? Isn’t the Russian military incompetent ?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. PITBOSS

    PITBOSS GC Hall of Fame

    7,913
    829
    558
    Apr 13, 2007
    Good point. Russia’s military is turning out to be a mess.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. PITBOSS

    PITBOSS GC Hall of Fame

    7,913
    829
    558
    Apr 13, 2007
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Gatorhead

    Gatorhead GC Hall of Fame

    18,131
    6,054
    3,313
    Apr 3, 2007
    Philadelphia
    "Turning" ????
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    9,171
    2,146
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    “Revealed to be” might be a more accurate expression.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    32,480
    12,170
    3,693
    Aug 26, 2008
    Maybe we can keep the arms dealer and trade this guy instead. I bet they backtracked these components when found in Russian equipment to bust this scheme.

    Russia Rages After Son of Putin Official Is Nabbed on U.S. Charges (msn.com)

    The Kremlin is threatening retaliatory action after authorities arrested Artyom Uss, the son of a top Russian official, at the United States’ request, for allegedly participating in a sanctions evasion and money laundering scheme. Uss, who was detained in Milan, was charged in relation to a scheme to unlawfully obtain U.S. military technology and sanctioned Venezuelan oil in order to support Russia’s war effort in Ukraine, according to charges unsealed by the U.S. Department of Justice this week.

    “We are categorically against this and we condemn the practice of these kinds of arrests of Russian citizens,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. Uss’ father, the governor of Russia’s Krasnoyarsk Krai region, Alexander Uss, has suggested the arrest is politically motivated, according to TASS.
    ........................................
    Uss and co-conspirators are accused of using NDA GmbH to ship advanced semiconductors and microprocessors for fighter aircraft, missile systems, smart munitions, radar, and satellites in Russia—some of which have been found in weapons used in the war in Ukraine.

    “Some of the same electronic components obtained through the criminal scheme have been found in Russian weapons platforms seized on the battlefield in Ukraine,” the Department of Justice said in an announcement, adding that the accused developed a “sophisticated network” of schemes that “undermined security, economic stability and rule of law around the world.”
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  8. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,461
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Biden assembling a massive $50 weapons transfer to turn the tide against shoeless, bedraggled and ill-equipped Russian conscripts.
     
  9. Sohogator

    Sohogator GC Hall of Fame

    3,568
    576
    358
    Aug 22, 2012
    $50 sounds inadequate to feed and house the 50% who survive first contact and manage to surrender. I’m not clear if this is legal under international law but after their defeat I’d be in favor of using the POW”s to help rebuild. Perhaps after 24 month they can be freed. Many I think would opt to stay if the Ukrainians let them
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2022
  10. homer

    homer GC Hall of Fame

    2,754
    852
    2,078
    Nov 2, 2015
    If we know ahead of time why don’t we give them super secret electronic components that do the opposite of what they are supposed to do? Instead of a rocket heading east when it’s fired, it goes west instead.
     
  11. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,461
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    Maybe we’re doing that now. Seems like all Russian missiles are going West.
     
  12. antny1

    antny1 GC Hall of Fame

    5,462
    2,848
    2,698
    Dec 3, 2019
    We???
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  13. VAg8r1

    VAg8r1 GC Hall of Fame

    21,455
    1,790
    1,763
    Apr 8, 2007
    Although it would be an appropriate form of justice I'm rather sure that using POW's for labor is a violation of the Geneva Convention.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. Sohogator

    Sohogator GC Hall of Fame

    3,568
    576
    358
    Aug 22, 2012
    Drat! I had a pleasant image of DD hauling away debris and eating porridge for a couple of years.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,822
    1,958
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    The latest discussion is whether or not Russia will blow up the dam on the Dnipro River upstream of Kherson when they evacuate Kherson. This would flood Kherson and wipe out crops across southern Ukraine that depend on irrigation from the large reservoir behind the dam. I don't know what leverage the U.S. would have to stop Russia from doing it, short of threats of military intervention.

    Zelenskiy: West must warn Russia not to blow up dam

     
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,822
    1,958
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    Russian draftees have to provide their own gear for battle, including thermal underwear and body armor. Apparently the local Walmarts are running out of body armor, causing the price to go up from $133 to $729 - $2188. One draftee complained that he was given a bulletproof vest meant for "Airsoft" games (what is that, Paintball?).

    So many mobilized Russian reservists had buy their own military gear that thermal underwear now costs up to $340 and a hiking backpack costs as much as $600

     
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  17. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    9,171
    2,146
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    I’m for anything that cranks up the discomfort in Russia and consequently turns up the heat on Putin’s throne.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  18. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,461
    1,208
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    $50 billion.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. PITBOSS

    PITBOSS GC Hall of Fame

    7,913
    829
    558
    Apr 13, 2007
    interesting how Ukraine and the West keep this issue in the reporting cycle. It maintains the focus on Russia as the culprit and makes a false flAg attempt almost impossible. And shows Russia to be even more diabolical if they do it. the scenes of flooding would be horrible.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. uftaipan

    uftaipan GC Hall of Fame

    9,171
    2,146
    1,483
    May 31, 2007
    Fresno, CA
    I agree, but I don’t think Putin would believe that would make us intervene.

    The Biden Administration has categorically taken intervention off the table from Day 1. It has not even used qualifying language that might give Russia pause, such as “We hope that it won’t become necessary to involve U.S. forces” or “We have no intent to intervene at this time.” I’m not even sure that Putin using a nuke would smack this administration into action (unless outrage from the rest of NATO forced his hand). Frankly, I think Putin is much more concerned what China and India would do in that case than what we would do.

    As far as that dam goes, would China and India care? That’s the the only question Putin is likely asking himself.