If the US announced that it was sending hundreds of thousands of troops to Ukraine, how would that register with Americans ?
Indeed, had to beat that dog down hard in 39-45. I am an admirer of German Culture. But it really pisses me off about the myth of 'We didn't know persists". WW2 is one of my most studied subjects. During the last two years of the war the only way people survived, and had consumer goods, and food, was because of the extensive network of concentration or "work" camps. People think of Auschwitz or Dachau but the fact was HUNDREDS of camps, many minor, existed all over the Reich and in GERMANY (not just Poland), AND Ike made those Sieg Hieling sorry bastards walk through them during the collapse. "I didn't know............MY ASS". Another thing - When the Brits captured nazi officers they put every one of them, up in Fancy accomodations with servants, they lived luxuriously, and recorded every word they said starting in 1940, ........they increminated themselves. There is miles of recorded tape, countless officers of every rank, knew EXACTLY, what was going on, and the Wermacht PARTICIPATED in the early execution pogroms before the Final Solution and then of course during the Final Solution itself, especially logistics. I have little tolerance for War Crime and Holocaust deniers. Eastern Europeans................such a lovely bunch.
I suspect that if there is any anxiety among the Russian public or any lack of readiness among a Russian reservists, it is less pronounced in Rusdiavthan in the US ... Ready to Fight Tonight? Not So Much, Some Army Troops Say
As long as we keep getting these ridiculous posts caricaturing Russian troops as ragamuffins ... I will be hear to furnish perspective. Don’t like it ? There is an ignore button.
O.k., Cybil. I think I can diagnose your medical problem. You have multiple personality disorder, right? One of your personalities thinks that Russian polls are the most important thing in the world, and one of your other personalities thinks they are irrelevant. Whom are we speaking to right now? I would like to point out that the correct comparison would be the U.S. invading Canada and killing thousands of people because fictitious Nazis have taken over and are abusing Americans living in Canada. You can identify the Nazis because they frequently say "Eh?" at the end of their sentences. If that seems like an insane premise for an invasion, that's because it is.
Why do you care or not if people talk some trash about Russian soldiers? They have certainly underachieved expectations. As bad as the us feels about their own readiness right now especially in the pacific theatre I bet they feel a hell of a lot better in the European theatre having seen Russia fight Ukraine.
Well, the modern U.S. standard for the results of its fighting were set in the first Iraq invasion, where about 150 Americans died (most of which were from a single strike of a SCUD missile on troop barracks on a base), with about 30,000 Iraq troops dead (200:1). With standards that lofty, most Americans (especially troops, who have the most to lose) would say they would like the U.S. to be better prepared. U.S. troops are also much better trained than Russian troops, and have a better understanding of combat than the Russians do (without having to learn the hard way)--they view their own troop readiness as realists would, and not as optimists with vodka-fueled bravado. I promise you that the standards in Russia and China are a lot lower than ours. Sometimes, if you would just think a little before you post, and review something called "context", you might understand things a little better.
Europe doesn't want Russian refugees. There is some concern that Russians could be Trojan horses who try to undermine western efforts to defeat Russia. Top Diplomat Warns Russian ‘Army of Trojan Horsemen’ Hides Among Us I say put them up in the Ukrainian refugee camps and have them provide various services for the Ukrainians as supervised volunteers (custodians, food service, repair work, latrine digging, etc.). If they do not behave respectfully and provide useful services, send them back to Russia. Dress them in striped uniforms so they can easily be watched. If they have enough money, they could stay in a hotel and avoid working in the camps. I think many of those working in the camps would quickly come to realize how wrong the war in Ukraine is, and would be excellent Russian advocates for the Ukrainians.
Others are correct: we need one thread for news about the war in Ukraine and another thread for smack talking. At the suggestion of others I put it on ignore a while back.
You seem to be likening the Russian public to Cybil. Is there really a contradiction between broad support and anxiety ? How do you think Americans polled on WWII ? Where is the basis, other than hubris, for asserting that US troops are better trained than their Russian counterparts ? And however well US troops may be trained, they do seem to be lacking confidence to match. I just think that you’re like too many Americans. Like I used to be. It’s uncomfortable to throw off the warm blanket of American primacy and an indomitable military and the comfort it provides. And it’s horrifying to contemplate the possibility that that your betters may be the bad guys or at least the gang who can’t shoot straight.
But you do see the sense in giving the madman whatever he wants. And somehow that makes sense to you. It will all end up just fine if we give the madman whatever he wants. We'll live in a better world, and the madman will stop demanding things once we give him what he wants. Is that your logic? Hitler was considered a madman--how would things have turned out if the U.S. and the rest of Europe just gave him what he wanted? You have admitted that Putin is a madman. (I have to admit, I thought it would take longer for you to see the light on this. That is real progress for someone with as many issues as you seem to have.) So, tell me, how would you stop the madman? Turn a blind eye to whatever he's doing, because he is just looking for attention?
It may be too late to give the ‘madman’ what he wants. So he may just take what he wants. It’s not like we didn’t have years to hear and perhaps bend a bit to his concerns. But of course he’s not allowed to have concerns. He can’t have his reasons. Because Russian.
I know it won’t happen but I think Poland and Lithuania should liberate that inclave. Lol. I think the Russian reaction would be funny.
Poland and Lithuania should enter with troops and hold referendums and then hold a parade and victory celebration outside of their capitals once the 99% response comes back in saying that the enclave wants to leave Russia.
One's got his rifle pointed at the other one's head! He's about to get his first official kill. That's great training from the most professional military in the world.
