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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    Kiev to put foreign observers who observed the referendum process in Donetsk Republic, Lugansk Republic, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, South Ukraine on international wanted list.

    Saving democracy.
     
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  2. carpeveritas

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    That is what public is led to believe no one has any validation to the conversations that took place or what was said between the two leaders.

    As for the 2022 Winter Olympics COVID was still an issue at the time and attendance of spectators was horrible to say the very least. As for the timing of the invasion if the issue was wait until after the Olympics the question is why? Russia could certainly have invaded while the games were taking place and given what the public and Europeans nations were warned of the invasion was a foregone conclusion before the Olympics even started.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    I suspect that China and Russia have never been closer. The US strategy to weaken a Russia, cleave it from China; so as to focus on China ... an apparent back-fire.
     
  4. duggers_dad

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    Will Biden invade Russia ? How would he sell it to the public absent a false flag ? He doesn’t need to sell it to either house. They’re all thirsting for blood.
     
  5. uftaipan

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    China did not want the spotlight off of them during the Games. No more complicated than that.
     
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  6. carpeveritas

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    And I'm saying Russia could have cared less so on this point we disagree.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    You know, you could just spew your nonsense into a mirror and let the grown-ups talk seriously
     
  9. duggers_dad

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    Did you vote for the most reckless administration in the history of the US ?
     
  10. chemgator

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    The hundred million are mostly ineligible to serve in the army, or can't afford to leave. If the Russians were enthusiastic about the war, these hundreds of thousands would be in training right now getting ready to continue the invasion. Since most of the people evacuating have some money to stay somewhere overseas, this could be the second great brain-drain to hit Russia this year (the first happened after the economic sanctions). It won't be long before the average Russian's shoe size exceeds his I.Q. And this exodus won't just affect the army directly in Ukraine. It will also reduce the number of young men available to work in the factories making war materiel, forcing Putin to buy more and more externally from places like North Korea.

    There is no evidence that 100 million Russians support this war. Only that they are (mostly) not likely to have to serve, and are probably hesitant to speak up about their disgust with the failure of the war. Some are genuinely worried about the failure of Putin and the army to complete the job.
     
  11. uftaipan

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    I didn’t. But I wasn’t of voting age in 1912.
     
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  12. chemgator

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    I just don't see any major involvement from China in Russia's decision to invade Ukraine. They buy oil, but so does India and a few other countries. Xi has provided general verbal support, but that's it. China has not provided weapons (that I know of) or troops.
     
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  13. apkgator

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    No, I find Trump to be quite problematic
     
  14. duggers_dad

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    Did you miss the poll I posted ? Russians overwhelmingly support the war. How many Americans are signing up to fight Russia ?
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    I find Trump problematic too. But when he was POTUS we weren’t flirting with WWIII.
     
  16. chemgator

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    Wow. You are naive. When a communist country asks you if you support the dictator's war, the correct answer is "YES!" Any lack of enthusiasm in your response could be grounds for an investigation and a possible trip to Siberia. If you are not smart enough to realize this, you probably should not participate in this discussion.

    Actually, several Americans have gone to Ukraine and fought Russia, without any official support from the U.S. government. A few have been captured.
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    We need to get you out of the 1970’s.
     
  18. chemgator

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    Here is an interesting article that covers the options and the pros and cons of each. Basically, there is no clear-cut winner that is guaranteed to work.

    This is the smart way for the U.S. to respond to Putin's hints over nuclear weapons

     
  19. duggers_dad

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    “OMG! Putin might use nukes! Let’s push him harder and HARDER!!!”
     
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    Slight difference in the questions. The author’s question is what should the U.S. do to deter the use of nuclear weapons, and I agree with the assertions therein. My question was over what to actually do in the largely unthinkable event. All of us here have the luxury of saying “Too difficult to contemplate” or “Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.” The President does not have that luxury, of course. We need a plan, not merely another Jake Sullivan Special: “plan to plan but hope in the interim.”