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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. exiledgator

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  2. danmann65

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    I agree with this in principal, but the fear of the Russian nuclear threat makes me disagree in effect. Screw Russia, screw their invasion, screw their threat of going nuclear. We can cower in fear and let Russia take everything or we can person up and say no. You are wrong in everythingyou say and you need to get the f out of the Ukraine.
     
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  4. danmann65

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    Is your solution to surrender under the threat of nuclear annihilation. You are a moderator here now. So I think calling you an idiot or a troll would be counterproductive, but honestly I don't care. Ban me but you are posting pro Russian nonsense
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    This. Posted a few pages back. Russian forces are not going to be able to process, let alone evade, the tactical superiority the guided artillery will bring to the battlefield. The targeting efficiency will well exceed 3:1 for targets hit even with fewer pieces of artillery. I think they have been waiting on these gps guided artillery to launch their offensive. Jmo
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    The drones we are supplying provide target coordinates in real time. Linked article a few pages back.
     
  7. G8trGr8t

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    M-109 Self-Propelled Guns Will Help Ukraine Shift To Offense

    The real trick will be to see how quickly and how effectively Ukraine leverages their array of new radars, fire control systems, and enhanced munitions capabilities. Once the NATO sensors and command-and-control systems are mastered, and Ukrainian commanders really start to understand their new munitions capabilities (for example, some 155mm munitions can even be used to spread anti-tank mines), Ukraine’s new 155mm towed guns will punch far harder than their more numerous legacy fleet of Soviet-era 152mm field artillery pieces. The same will be true once 155mm self-propelled guns arrive in Ukraine.
     
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    Odessa was hit again. No link yet.
     
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  10. carpeveritas

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    First - calling anyone an idiot or troll would be counter productive to any discussion.
    Second - not being concerned about civility and respect will most likely alienate a majority of one's personal relationships as well as the population at large.

    On the subject of nuclear weapon use from a unilateral standpoint without discussion internally and internationally with allies is a huge mistake. The proposed law does exactly that and if you don't think our allies are not concerned about it I would beg to differ. A unilateral decision to withdraw from Afghanistan without notifying our allies should serve as a prime example of the deterioration of our foreign policy.
     
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    For those saying Putin is just trying to save Russian speakers

     
  14. carpeveritas

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    What makes you think we cower in fear at the threat of a nuclear response? Not having nukes to retaliate could be a reason to cower yet having nukes as a deterrent offers a sense of security.

    That said just because we have them doesn't mean we shouldn't be thoughtful of deliberate use and if you disagree that's fine. Personally I think you are wrong and this is exactly why we should be critical of the leadership we elect.
     
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    Pentagon moves $1.45 billion to restock Javelin, Stinger missiles sent to Ukraine
    The U.S. has given Ukraine more than 1,400 Stinger systems and 5,500 Javelins along with billions of dollars’ worth of other weapons since Russia began its attack on Ukraine on Feb. 24.
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    But with the U.S. having provided a third of its stockpile of Javelins and a quarter of its Stingers in just under three months of war, the Biden administration is scrambling to refill those depleted supplies.
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    Compounding the issue, however, is Raytheon Technologies, the maker of Stinger missiles. Last week it revealed it will not be able to quickly produce more of the weapons due to lack of parts and materials.

    Raytheon CEO warns of delays in Stinger missile production
    Raytheon Technologies, the maker of the thousands of Stinger missiles sent to Ukraine amid its war with Russia, will not be able to quickly produce more of the weapons due to lack of parts and materials, the company’s CEO said Tuesday.


    Raytheon won’t be able to ramp up production of Stinger anti-aircraft systems until at least 2023, as the company must “redesign some of the electronics in the missile and the seeker head,” due to some components no longer being commercially available, CEO Greg Hayes told investors during a Tuesday earnings call.
     
  16. danmann65

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    Well atleast we know that they work. There was an argument that we needed to keep the lines running so we could produce more on short notice. I always thought that was an excuse to keep the military industrial complex fully funded. Perhaps they were right.
     
  17. OklahomaGator

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    No different than other businesses across the country are facing. Lack of inventory on critical parts is resulting in long delays in either getting new equipment or getting existing equipment repaired. Hopefully, they can prioritize these critical parts for Raytheon.
     
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    When the weapons are expended what's next becomes the question? Does this war escalate to a higher level or does it remain conventional?
     
  19. danmann65

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    Well I think if it's attrition. I would rather be low on Stingers and Javelins then tanks and aircraft. I honestly am wondering if tanks and manned aircraft are obsolete.
     
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