Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
     
  2. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
     
  3. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,561
    2,791
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    Sen. Paul has a history on these issues. An incomplete list



    Rand Paul Goes To Russia And Delivers Letter For Trump, Marking Our Era Of Irony
    August 9, 20188:37 AM
    Many have also seen the visuals of Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul hobnobbing in Moscow this week with members of the Russian Council, sometimes called his "counterparts." These included the chairman of the council's foreign policy panel, Konstantin Kosachev, who happens to be under official U.S. sanction for his government's actions against our government.


    Senator Paul on Russian Sanctions for Gas Pipeline | C-SPAN.org
    Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) spoke against legislation to sanction entities involved with Russia’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, saying sanctions are ineffective at changing countries' behavior. He said the effort is “mercantilism” because Russian gas competes with gas from some states in the
    Ex-Rand Paul aide charged with funneling Russian money into 2016 election
    Ex-Rand Paul aide pardoned by Trump is charged with funneling Russian money into 2016 election
     
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,307
    13,209
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    If he is spouting Kremlin talking points, he's a sympathizer imho If it quacks like a duck.....
    Agree that if Putin is to be stopped it is right here and right now. The west is fortunate that Ukraine has the will to fight. Arm Ukraine as if our lives depend on it (because in a way they do if this is not handled correctly). No nukes of course, but all the other tools they need to push ivan the eff out of their country.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Come On Man Come On Man x 1
  5. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    31,551
    12,058
    3,693
    Aug 26, 2008
    Arranged by and escorted by are different
     
  6. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Agreed.
     
  7. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Cnn live....but Russia says it's all fake

    "Exclusive: New drone video shows Russian military vehicles and forces on Bucha street strewn with civilian bodies

    From CNN's Paul P. Murphy and Sandi Sidhu

    Despite Russia's repeated denials they were responsible for any carnage in Bucha, Russian military vehicles and forces were seen on a Bucha street near civilian bodies, new drone video obtained exclusively by CNN shows.
    .....

    A Russian military vehicle is seen sitting at an intersection in the video from March 13. CNN has identified three objects in the video — just down the street from the military vehicle — are the same bodies that were seen in the video from April 1 and satellite images taken by Maxar Technologies on March 18.

    Additional drone video from March 13 shows another Russian military vehicle traveling further up the street, in the direction of the bodies.

    In the March 12 video, a number of Russian soldiers are seen around a military vehicle parked outside of a house, just down the street from the bodies. It's unclear what they are doing at the house."
     
  8. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Hopefully better tracking of supplies/identifying need.

    "US Department of Defense establishes control center for Ukraine military aid in Germany, official says

    From CNN's Ellie Kaufman

    The Department of Defense has established a control center to coordinate shipments and “streamline the delivery” of military assistance to Ukraine with both US and allied forces in Stuttgart, Germany, within the US European Command area of responsibility, a senior US defense official told reporters on Tuesday.

    The EUCOM Control Center of Ukraine, or ECCU, is based at US European Command headquarters in Stuttgart, and is run by a US two-star military general, the official said. The center works closely with what the US military calls the international donor coordination center, or IDCC, which is run by a one-star general from the United Kingdom, the official added.
    .....
    The control center, along with US personnel, includes staff from 15 other supporting nations in Stuttgart, the official said. The control center will also manage the network of more than 40 partner and allied nations that met in Germany earlier Tuesday and are providing assistance to Ukraine, the official said.

    This new group of allies will meet once a month, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin announced earlier Tuesday. The first meeting was hosted by Austin at Ramstein Air Base in Germany on Tuesday."
     
  9. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Sounds like some folks are in the minority

     
  10. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Good call, McCain
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  11. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,307
    13,209
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    So he is not only a seditionist but a putin sympathizer too. pure scum
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

    17,561
    2,791
    1,618
    Apr 3, 2007
    It appears the Ukrainians have come up with some way to strike within Russia

     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. PITBOSS

    PITBOSS GC Hall of Fame

    7,751
    812
    558
    Apr 13, 2007
    Russia will now use rand Paul along with other maga politicians & tucker already getting air time.
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2022
    • Agree Agree x 3
  14. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,307
    13,209
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    Sad but true. Yet these scumbags call themselves patriots.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  15. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Irony on the Bulgaria gas thing. They're actually pretty pro-Russian. They just refused to alter their agreements and pay in rubles. Wonder if now they turn around and help Ukraine.
     
  16. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    For the "Russians are being framed because those bodies are fake because some Russian propaganda & some nut jobs said so" folks... From a CNN live interview with the ICC prosecutor:

    "“We will get to the truth because there's no place to hide in the courtroom. Whatever the narratives and counter-narratives, the evidence should properly be tested … and there will be -- I think -- a case to answer in due course,” Khan told CNN’s Anderson Cooper during a wide-ranging interview, when asked how the ICC might build a case in Ukraine.

    Khan made the comments while reviewing images shared with CNN by Ukrainian prosecutors, as they investigate alleged Russian war crimes.
    ......
    The Kremlin has denied any involvement in the mass killings of civilians in Ukraine, while reiterating baseless claims that images of bodies on the streets of Bucha are “fake.”

    Khan addressed Russia’s disinformation directly. “Those bodies that are in those bags on the screen are not fake. I’ve seen them. I stood beside them. The issue is how did they die, who is responsible and in what circumstances?” Khan said, adding that the world was watching to see how “effective the rule of law” would be regarding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine."


    Edit to add: Apparently some of what they have are photos from as far back as March 5-7 - don't know if cell phones, drones, security cameras, etc.
     
  17. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Ummmm......China may have had enough (unofficially anyway)
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  18. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Oops. Not sorry.