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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

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    Someone replied that Russian response after that other depot fire was basically "no big deal we have another one". Well...this is the other one
     
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    I’m glad to see we are sending a career diplomat and not a just a high-donating partisan hack. Both parties seem to be guilty of sending “ambassadors” who have no idea what they are doing as a reward for party loyalty.
     
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  4. g8rjd

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    Marie Yovanovich, who worked for the Foreign Service since 1986, the State Department since 2001, and served as ambassador to three Eastern European nations was a partisan hack?
     
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  5. uftaipan

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    Don’t know who that is. I wasn’t calling anyone in particular a partisan hack. I was saying Bridget Brink is a career diplomat.
     
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  6. g8rjd

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    This nominee replaces Marie Yovanovitch, the Ambassador to Ukraine who was removed by the last Administration for the reasons noted in the tweet above.

    Marie Yovanovitch - Wikipedia
     
  7. PerSeGator

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    Political appointments are mostly to easy posts like Western Europe. Hard assignments like Ukriane or Africa generally get career FSOs.
     
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    I think he's referring to in general versus calling who she's replacing a hack :)
     
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  9. g8rjd

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    That’s why I asked. It wasn’t a gotcha question.
     
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    That was not my point.
     
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    They should all get career FSOs, and it should be law.
     
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  12. PerSeGator

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    I'm not sure a law like that would be constitutional, since the appointments clause vests the president and senate with the discretion to nominate/confirm. Restricting that authority via statute probably wouldn't work, much like laws that have tried to add qualifications to other constitutional officers have failed.

    Policy wise though, I agree pure political appointments are unsavory and should stop. Especially where a nominee's only qualification is campaign bundling.

    On the other hand, there are a few political appointees that seem competent. E.g., the ambassador to Russia is a former Supreme Court clerk with a long history in government service, including as the deputy secretary of state under Trump. Biden has kept him on, so he must be pretty good at his job.
     
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    Interesting take...

     
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  14. gogator7444

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    Hmm...gotta wonder if Russia was fed information including Zelensky announcing the visit & made plans to shoot the railways to either kill them or keep them from coming, then the visit happened earlier than expected.

     
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    Interesting. Given all the shady figures around Trump. I would have assumed the Biden admin would automatically clean house on anything the last admin did with Russia/Ukraine, starting with the political appointments in day 1. Guess this guy convinced them he was a serious person, still… it makes one wonder.
     
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    Remember they're just peaceful liberators who were threatened by NATO & Ukranians are the Nazis.

     
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    Kick them all out everywhere. Not like Russia is interested in diplomacy anyway.

     
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    Seriously, though, when are we going to start being just a touch menacing ourselves by throwing some threatening, contemptuous language back at Russia? I’m about sick of their threats.
     
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    And the Russians aren't supplying arms to Syria and Iran?