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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. sierragator

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    The shoe fits
     
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  5. gogator7444

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    Yep I posted on that & I'll say again....I'm fine with this. They told Russia to get their dead- they refused. They called families & were called liars & that it was fake. Some soldiers had their papers/ID taken before Ukranians got there. So this is the last way.

    Is it cruel? A little. But as a mom I'd like to know what happened to my son. People who are upset should turn their anger to Russia.

    And considering the intercepted calls encouraging Russian soldiers to rape Ukranian women, kill as many as possible, bring back laptops, etc, I feel less & less sorry for them.
     
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  6. gogator7444

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    At this point if Russia is NOT sanctioning you, you're obviously on the wrong side.

     
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    It literally feels like Russia is now Nazi Germany -- support among the people, not enough dissidents to make a difference.
     
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    World Kitchen, whose only purpose is literally to feed displaced people/folks in emergency situations/catastrophes. Obviously another Nazi target *sarcasm*

     
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    What does the shirt actually say? There’s just no way it reads “Bucha Massacre: We Can Do It Again.” Because the Russian narrative is there was no Bucha Massacre.
     
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  12. OklahomaGator

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    Ukraine was an original signature to the UN charter. The USSR wanted them to sign as a separate county so that they had control of more votes in the general assembly.
     
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    Always be wary of those dehumanizing people. In any context. It makes abuse and atrocities easier to justify. It is an age old technique and we have seen it here.
     
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    Someone in the replies confirmed that's what it said other than missing the word "We". I don't speak Russian so I'll have to trust what others say about that :)
     
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    I suspect that there are two narratives: one for Russians (with lots of "heroic" attacks--or atrocities--against Nazi strongholds), and one for the rest of the world (with the Russian army defending itself against shameless atrocities by the Ukrainian and western forces).
     
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  16. sierragator

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    From my friend in Odessa:

    Nothing has changed. And in the next 100 years it won't change. The selection was too long and effective.
    Everything said has been written for ages and on a great pity, it's true!!! RUSSIANS ABOUT THEIR PEOPLE
    M. Y. Lermontov: "Farewell, unwashed Russia, the country of slaves, the country of lords... "
    N. A. Nekrasov: "People of the Holopian rank are real dogs, sometimes: the heavier the punishment, the sweeter the Lord is for them"
    A. S. Pushkin: "Oh, how rude our Russian language is! "
    L. N. Tolstoy: "Moscovia - Russia Taiga, Mongolian, wild, beast. "
    F. N. Dostoevsky: "A nation that wanders around Europe and seeks what can be destroyed, destroyed just for fun. "
    M. N. Bulgakov: "Not the people, but the cattle, ham, wild horde, soul-lovers and villains. "
    A. M. Gorkiy: "The most important sign of the luck of the Russian people is its sadistic cruelty."
    S. T. Aksakov: "Oh, how hard it is to live in Russia, in this stinking center of physical and moral destruction, the meanness of lies and malice."
    And. S. Turgenev: "Russian is the biggest and worst liar in the whole world."
    And. S. Shmelev: "A nation that hates freedom, adores slavery, loves chains on its hands and legs, is dirty physically and mentally... ready to oppress everything and everything at any moment."
    A. S. Pushkin: "The people are indifferent to the least duty, to the least
    justice, to the least truth, a nation that does not recognize humanity
    Dignity, that entirely does not recognize neither a free person nor a free thought.
    Academician I. P. Pavlov: "You have to express your sad view on the Russian person - he has such a weak brain system that he is unable to comprehend
    reality as it is. Only words exist for him. His conditional reflections are coordinated not with actions, but with words." The year 1932.
    A. And. Solzhenitsyn: "There is no smaller, scoundrel and more haughty person in this world than a katsap. Born in a Nazi country, insulted by the propaganda of Nazism: this bastard will never become a Human. His country has no friends - either holuis or enemies. His country is only capable of threatening, humiliating and killing. And for keeping this status in Russia, a private katsap is ready to sacrifice his own life, the lives of his parents and children, the quality of life of his own people. Truly: katsaps are beasts. Fierce, blood thirsty but... mortal.
     
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    Guess what, Putin? Folks aren't as scared of you as you'd hoped.

     
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  18. sierragator

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    what is russian for "snowflake"
     
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  19. gogator7444

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    So apparently there was an agreement between USSR & Czechoslovakia that Soviet weapons wouldn't be sold or something like that.

    1. Neither of those entities exist.

    2. Russia says because of the change in government they don't have to abide by the 2014 agreements with Ukraine.

    3. The Czechs don't particularly care & have plenty of payback they'd love considering some buildings still have bullet holes courtesy of the Soviets.
     
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