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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

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    That’s my hope, that MTG has pushed the precise button to get primaried out of position next month.
     
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  3. exiledgator

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    I keep thinking of that old movie Come and See.

    A great watch if you haven't seen.
     
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    I wonder if we’ll see the Russian crop dusting corps in a couple months or snipers plucking farmers from their tractors. Have we seen the lowest of low yet?
     
  7. StrangeGator

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    We might be seeing it in the next few days. It's about to get uglier.
     
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  8. gogator7444

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    Hopefully these have already been swept for mines. Other areas had mines placed.
     
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    The explosion may be based on a chemical explosive, but some ordinance (like white phosphorus) does a lot more damage than just the initial explosion.
     
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    This is perhaps a stupid question, but now that Russia has exited Kiev and much of the west, what is preventing NATO from moving into that part of the country as a “humanitarian” mission, but at the same time with plenty of firepower to defend ourselves?
     
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    Some have proposed doing just that in western Ukraine. There are risks of course. It is frustrating to know that in a conventional fight that nato would kick russia's ass. If it goes full on nuclear we can only hope it is fast.
     
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    Cnn live

    "Video shows what appears to be cluster munition explosions in Kharkiv

    From CNN's Celine Alkhaldi

    A video shared to social media on Sunday shows what appear to be explosions from cluster munitions in a civilian area in the Kharkiv region.

    At least four explosions, seconds apart, can be seen spanning about 90 meters (98 yards) along a road in Pisuchyn. An aerially dispensed submunition is seen falling on the street moments after and causes another blast.

    Russian forces have been accused of regularly using cluster munitions against civilian targets in Ukraine. Last week, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine said it had received credible allegations that Russian armed forces have used cluster munitions in populated areas at least 24 times."
     
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    Cnn live

    "Ukraine says defenders of Mariupol consolidate, while Russia claims to take prisoners

    From CNN's Tim Lister, Maria Kostenko in Chernivtsi and Nathan Hodge in Lviv

    Ukrainian presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych has has said that after a "risky maneuver" the last remaining defenders of the besieged port city of Mariupol have been able to join forces.

    Arestovych said Wednesday that "in Mariupol, as a result of a risky maneuver, units of the 36th Independent Marine Brigade broke through to [join] the Azov regiment." Both units have been involved in a last-ditch attempt to resist a Russian offensive against the city that has lasted well over a month.

    "This is what happens when officers do not lose their heads, but firmly maintain command and control of the troops," Arestovych said.

    CNN cannot independently confirm the details of the operation. Members of the Marine unit posted a video statement on Tuesday saying they would hold on "until the end," despite being surrounded by Russian forces and running low on supplies."
    ......

    The Russians claim Ukranian soldiers surrendered to them, which CNN can't confirm, but allegedly after that claim is when those Ukranian Marines released that video posted previously saying they hadn't and wouldn't surrender. So I'm thinking it's old/from another area, or an outright lie/propaganda piece.
     
  15. gogator7444

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    Because Russia would turn around & claim NATO boots on ground = existential crisis = nukes.

    Hence why UN peacekeepers made more sense because it'd be a mix of countries including neutral ones but then Russia would be exposed for the liars they are. Not that they haven't already but hard to feed propaganda when dead bodies are physically in front of them.
     
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    Cnn live. Apparently Germany wanted to go but Zelensky said he didn't want to meet with the German Chancellor. Gee I wonder why?

    "Presidents of Poland and Baltic states on their way to Kyiv to meet Zelensky

    From CNN's Teele Rebane and Sophie Jeong

    The presidents of the Baltic states and Poland are on their way to the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, to meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky.

    The party includes Polish President Andrzej Duda, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda, Latvian President Egils Levits and Estonian President Alar Karis, according to a Twitter post from Karis on Wednesday.

    They will meet with Zelensky during their visit to "show strong support to Ukrainian people," Karis said."
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    The part about the Chancellor was in a tweet/article yesterday so I'll try to find that.
     
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    Well obviously all part of denazification *sarcasm*

     
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    Found it (not the same tweet but same subject)

     
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