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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. ufhomerj31

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    It was not an attack on the fuel depot, it was de-nazifaction of the fuel. /s
     
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  2. uftaipan

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  3. ursidman

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    One person's story of escape and terror. Multiply by tens of thousands just like it. Russian war crimes.

     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    I suspect their air force may be as operationally compromised by corruption as their army is. could us have equipped the choppers with jamming equipment?
     
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  5. OklahomaGator

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    Click on the twitter and read the whole thread, what Russia is doing is a war crime. Terrible
     
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  6. duchen

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    I ask these questions to explain the lack of detection. It may just as simple as the Russians not expecting Ukraine to be able to attack and not being ready.
     
  7. duchen

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    In your post earlier, you said, “if you want a ceasefire.” I responded to that. Until there is one, you prosecute the war.
     
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  8. gogator7444

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    And yet no one's going to get involved militarily because they're scared of Putin. At least they're getting some weapons. Russia is going to continue doing what it wants.
     
  9. ursidman

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    More from Bucha. More war crimes. First person reporting from BBC.





    Russia is a member of the UN Human Rights Council
     
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  10. sierragator

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    These bastards are no better than Germany was 80 years ago.
     
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  11. sierragator

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    Odessa was hit by rockets again today.
     
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  12. exiledgator

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    Or the Soviets were 80 years ago.

    Not singling you out, Sierra, but one doesn't need to make Nazi Germany comparisons. What the Red army did retaking lands from Germany was pure evil. Complete insanity.

    This is just Russia being Russia.
     
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  13. ursidman

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    A report from Human Rights Watch documenting a few of the multitudes of atrocities.

    Ukraine: Apparent War Crimes in Russia-Controlled Areas

    The cases we documented amount to unspeakable, deliberate cruelty and violence against Ukrainian civilians,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “Rape, murder, and other violent acts against people in the Russian forces’ custody should be investigated as war crimes.

    Russian forces in the village of Staryi Bykiv, in Chernihiv region, rounded up at least six men on February 27, and later executed them, according to the mother of one of the men, who was nearby when her son and another man were apprehended, and who saw the dead bodies of all six.
     
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  14. VAg8r1

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    While I don't think war crimes can ever be rationalized in World War II what the Soviets/Russians did can explained as turnabout for the same behavior from the Germans. Interestingly, what Russia is doing to the Ukrainian cities reminds me of what the Germans did to Stalingrad and Leningrad in World War II.
     
  15. exiledgator

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    An argument could be made that the Soviet horrors were much worse. In part because they were vengeful acts and also because they were effectively ordered to do so.

    But I don't think it's worth quibbling over who was more heinous - I just wanted to point out that it's better to say "Russia is doing it again", rather than "Russia is now Nazi Germany."
     
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  16. uftaipan

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    I see the turnabout argument, but it doesn’t explain Soviet behavior in Poland, Finland, the Baltics, and Romania prior to being invaded by Germany nor of Soviet behavior in Ukraine during the 1930s. I mean, how badly do you have to be treated that your first reaction to seeing Nazis is to greet them (ill advisedly) as liberators?
     
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  17. sierragator

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    From a Ukraine page: Every time you talk about a great #Russian_Ballet, I will tell you a story of repeatedly raped in front of parents and then stolen by Russian mischief of a young teacher from Brovary. About dozens, or maybe hundreds of raped Ukrainian women. Often in front of the eyes of children. About 15-16-year-old girls from Borodyanka who suffered terrible violence kadirívcâmi. About the bodies of five raped young girls, killed and left right on the road. About this abomination "we'll be fucking cockroaches" in interceptions. That's what I'll tell you in response about the ganey big Russian ballet.
    Every time you tell me about the great #Russian_composers, I will tell you the story of a girl whose mother and her little brother in the basement of Mariupol died more than one day. And then with the dead mother's corpse the children were forced to continue hiding in the basement from the shelling. About a boy from Gostomel, in front of whom Russian soldiers shot his father. And then they wanted to kill the son, but he survived. About the girl who was shot right in the face. About the kid who ran away with his grandmother in a boat. Grandma has drowned. And the boy has been searched for almost a month. That's what I'll tell you in response about the gannimih huge Russian composers.
    Every time you tell me about the great #Russian_painting, I will tell you about the people shot in the back of peaceful Ukrainians in the Makarivsky district. And before they were shot, the orcs tied their hands. About hundreds of corpses on the streets of Buchi, Irpen, Gostomel. About brotherly graves in the yards of residential quarters. Brotherly graves of peaceful residents donedavna cozy and safe cities. The brotherly graves. In the 21st century. That's what I'll tell you in response about the wheat of a great Russian painting.
    Every time you tell me about the great #Russian_theater, I will tell you the story of a woman from the Brovarsky district, from whose house Russian robbers, retreated, filmed a metal tile. About tanks and BTRs of the "Second Army of the World", loaded on the wreath looted in Ukrainian homes. Stolen phones, tablets, TVs, washing machines, rugs, jewelry, alcohol bottles, pans, clothes, toys, shoes - everything that came in the way of these freaks. About how they got to Belarus, they forwarded sending the looters to their families to Russia. About how they traded stolen in the Belarusian bazaar. That's what I'll tell you in response about the Ganimij Velíj Russian Theater.
    Every time you tell me about the great #Russian_cinema, I will tell you about horses brutally shot in stables in Kyiv region. About the tired of hunger and thirst of animals of the zoo in Yasnogorodc. About the burnt deer skin after the explosion. And now brutality to the max.. About the killed and eaten by the Russian occupants alabaya. Yes, alabaya. Yes, the dogs. Yes, it's eaten. That's what I'll tell you in response about the ganímoê vêlíkoê Russian cinema.
    Every time you tell me about the great #Russian_literature, I will tell you about dozens of interceptions between Russian soldiers and their mothers and wives. Conversations in which there is nothing except na*uâ na*i. Conversations in which wives are ordered to steal from Ukrainian houses. Conversations where mothers laugh when sonsinočki tell how their bovatrimi rape kohlušek. And if all mothers are thrown out of these conversations, they will only have "private" and "bye". That's what I'll tell you in response about the wheat of the great Russian literature.
    There is no more great Russian culture, literature, cinema, painting, theater and ballet. There are #country_of_freaks, robbers, rapists and murderers. Wild people who have no place in the civilized world!
    And the many struggling newlyweds Russian residents in cozy apartments in Berlin, London, Larnaki, Milan, Tbilisi, Astana, Vienna and other temporary refugees, let them follow the route of the Russian ship, proudly carrying in the hands of the great Russian culture!
     
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  18. gogator7444

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    1. The Russians don't care. Most of their people don't care. You'd have to do a post-war thing like in Nazi Germany making people walk through the camps making the Russians face the physical bodies of Ukranians for them to believe anything. I know not all Russians but it seems a good portion are okay with all this.

    2. China won't care no matter what's shown to them because they will only blame NATO & the West. Only reason they're not more involved is fear of sanctions hurting their economy.

    3. Russia will continue to do what they want because there are no real consequences for them. They know the world fears them & until someone steps up & helps Ukraine punch them in the nose they'll send everyone they can to murder & rape Ukraine into submission. Accolades & thoughts & prayers won't do anything.

    4. Sanctions - Russia doesn't care. It's people could literally be in bread lines getting a loaf of bread a week and starving & nothing will happen. Plus India won't face consequences for helping Russia/doing business with them. So you've got 2 major countries helping the Russians.

    Only way out of this is Putin getting killed. And my hope for anyone in Russia having any sense to get rid of him is dwindling fast. The Russian people just don't care.
     
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  20. VAg8r1

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    Along those lines when factoring in Putin's calculation is that Russians are willing to endure deprivation especially if they perceive it to be in their national interest. They endured extreme deprivation during World War II and deprivation in comparison with the West during the 70 plus years they were under Communist rule.
     
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