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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. uftaipan

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    I’d like to have both, but I’ll settle for the first. I am having a growing feeling of illness that this Administration is going to settle for having neither.
     
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  2. OklahomaGator

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    So it is not an escalation if Russia attacks a fuel depot in Ukraine but the Ukrainians can't do the same in Russia.
     
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  3. vaxcardinal

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    Yep
     
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  4. ursidman

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    It would seem to be several days past time to press the counter attack. Not Having materiel and equipment to do so is a failure. The West needs to Stop dithering
     
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  5. exiledgator

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    I'm not. Even if they did do it, it's a smart move. Strand yet more armor inside Ukraine for the farmers to take.

    I'd be against boots and I'd be against anything short of highly precise strikes on clearly military objectives (like this). Lobbing artillery across the border - bad.
     
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  6. uftaipan

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    100% agreed. But the problem is not the West, it’s us. We are the leader, and we need to lead. Presently, to your point, we are leading the dithering.
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    Flying below radar. Should they be detectable under 200'?
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    Yes but the ones being sent now can be deployed by one person. Kamikaze drones but very effective and mobile
     
  9. duchen

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    Where is it written that a country can invade another, and the invaded country "escalates" the conflict by attacking in the invader country?
     
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  10. vaxcardinal

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    Right here
     
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  11. uftaipan

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    It depends. With ground-based radars, maybe not. But Russia should have airborne radar systems up to command and control its air campaign and provide early warning. You just can’t hide from those in a helicopter. I don’t know about Russian capabilities, but ours can track the difference between number and type of vehicles moving on the ground.
     
  12. duchen

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    Don't attack another country and expect that country to sit back and take it. It is not an escalation to attack back.
     
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  13. duchen

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    Are there systems that can assist helicopters to evade Russian detection systems that might have been in use?
     
  14. vaxcardinal

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    Well if you have a stronger desire for a ceasefire…
     
  15. ursidman

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    Here comes a little help.

     
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  16. duchen

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    . First, you don’t have a ceasefire so you engage with the idea of repelling the invader and that there will not be a cease fire. Second, your troops deserve your best efforts to put them in the best position to survive and be successful. That includes destroying a fuel depot relief on by the enemy invader to support its invasion and kill your people. Third, you let the adversary know it has risk in the home land to improve your negotiating position and that you are not going to sit back and have your cities destroyed.
     
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  17. ursidman

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    Long string discussing why the T-72 mentioned in tweet above is good to give Ukraine

     
  18. uftaipan

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    If you mean systems on the helicopter, not that I’m aware of. If you mean enabler systems on other aircraft, yes. But does Ukraine have them? I strongly doubt it.
     
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  19. vaxcardinal

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    Who said there was a ceasefire?
     
  20. uftaipan

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    His point is well taken. Let the former Warsaw Pact nations give Ukraine their equipment, and then backfill them with interoperable Western equivalent gear. This solves two problems, one immediate in Ukraine and one that has persisted for 20 years.
     
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