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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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    Which would likely be destroyed in the event of a war, if not by fighting by sabotage. Its hard to believe we would be that stupid, but then I remember the type of people who run this country.
     
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  2. dadx4

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    Correct that's why Putin will invade ALL of the former states and China will takeover Taiwan before the Biden admin gets voted out of office.
     
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  3. wgbgator

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    New Axis of Evil just dropped
     
  4. wgbgator

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    Ah I see, because of the NO BALLS thing I suppose
     
  5. citygator

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    Trump is celebrating the Putin strategy. He’d excuse the invasion if he was in office ala Tucker.
     
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  6. BLING

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    Well, he sort of should care that his stock market is off 55%. One of the reasons he’s stayed in power is he’s been able to make his pals filthy rich. Those oligarchs spend and launder their money in Europe and the U.S. If the stock market and asset seizures wipes massive amounts of wealth, that isn’t going to play well with the money driven organized crime types that have helped keep Putin in power.
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

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    Bankrupting Russia could be one outcome of this. It is what killed the USSR.
     
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  8. carpeveritas

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    The monday morning quarterbacking has started and communications with Russia are slim to none at this point. As for NATO the only thing NATO will do is attempt to ensure the war between Russia and the Ukraine doesn't expand beyond the Ukraine.

    What Putin will do is anybodies guess. The only thing we know for certain is Putin intends to at a minimum take portions of the Ukraine. Whether or not Putin decides to take the entire nation is still in flux.

    It is still unclear as the weapons and expertise of usage Ukraine has. They certainly do not have a force to match Russia given the calls for citizens to bear arms. Training newly elisted will take resources and time. Guerilla tactics are not going to be enough. While Ukraine has been supplied with weapons the question is do they know how to use them effectively. The Ukranine forces are out gunned and out numbered. Short of combat support from other nations the foregone conclusion is Ukraine is lost. What signal this sends to China and North Korea remains to be determined. War on multiple fronts will certainly strain NATO as well as other nations that become involved. Fighting WWII with Germany, Italy and Japan on multiple fronts was no easy task.

    Are we headed for WWIII? If so who do you propse take command? Our European allies are not to pleased with the US of late. Whether or not Germany or the OK will take the mantle is certainly debatable. I would sfely assume Canada certainly will not.

    How many troops does Nato have? Where its units are deployed in eastern Europe amid Russia-Ukraine conflict
     
  9. GatorBen

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    Lot of chaotic posting on Twitter with no real way to tell what is what, but this certainly appears to be a Russian jet firing an AGM at a house (and coming in very low and slow, suggesting there may not be much AA capacity around):

     
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  10. carpeveritas

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    Germany went bankrupt as well but that did not happen overnight. Starving Russia of resources is certainly a tactic that could be employed but I doubt that has much bearing in the short term. The long term yes the short term no.
     
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  11. WC53

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    Ukraine will fall quickly. Russia and China play the strategic long game while everyone else falls into complacency.
    Shocking news, if a leader doesn’t care about their people, sanctioning has little short term effect. The rich always have black markets.
    Putin will want to go right up to Germany (imo) in the long game.
    We certainly have more cyber, but that dowsing mean that their attacks (along with support from China, Iran, NK) would effort our softer populace more.
    Fox be blaming Biden already…
     
  12. Emmitto

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    I hope, and suspect, Ukrainians fight an unrelenting insurgency forever. It is hard to imagine a country simply declaring yours "independent" and then staging a hot war invasion to "protect you."

    I mean, I get that the US essentially does that in the ME on a pretty regular basis. But at least we are typically after some overhyped villain like UBL and his monkey bar warriors. Hopefully the Russians fare as well as we do. Rooty Poo will likely never give up on such a quagmire. Hopefully this is what removes that menace from the planet.
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    Chechnia wasn't even independent and that's basically what they have there
     
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  14. ValdostaGatorFan

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    Russia may or may not have destroyed a nuclear waste facility at Chernobyl. I'm waiting on more confirmation.
     
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  15. GrandPrixGator

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    I don't disagree but if this were 1984 both Trump and the Carlson types would be persona non grata by EVERYONE in this country, Republicans, Democrats, dogs, cats, etc. It's stomach turning.
     
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    Considering their stance on respecting borders (hypocrisy based on China's Taiwan stance except they claim Taiwan has always been part of China) and that Ukraine was an independent nation, wonder how much pressure Putin is putting on China?
     
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    Does Russia have a resource they depend on for import to fight a war? Germany needed to attack Russia for oil. Russia has plenty of oil.
     
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    Russia's actions with a deranged dictator is Exhibit A of why defense spending is crucial.
     
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  19. wgbgator

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    Nah, the continued existence of NATO probably made this war more likely, not less. More defense spending will only increase the likelihood that those weapons get used by someone, somewhere.
     
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  20. 1990Gator

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    Of course they will because as soon as the fervor dies down on this China will do the same thing with Taiwan.
     
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