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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. uftaipan

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    I don’t understand. I thought the Nazis were in Ukraine. Shouldn’t he be on their side? o_O
     
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  2. g8rjd

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  3. uftaipan

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    They also have selfish reasons for acting proportionally (by Russian standards). Generally, carjackers don’t go out of their way to put bullets in the car they’re stealing, because they want to use the car when the theft is over.
     
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  4. tampagtr

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    Don't ask me to make sense out of it
     
  5. PITBOSS

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    So carrying thru with this logic, to avoid bloodshed countries should appease Putin and give him much of Europe?
     
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  6. g8rjd

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    Me thinks Putin won’t respond by stopping committing war crimes.
     
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  7. PITBOSS

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    I wonder why Biden shifted direction and referred to Putin as one?
     
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    This is a helpful resource for choosing the most reliable news and analysis.

    Static Media Bias Chart - Ad Fontes Media

    CNN skews a little left but they're highly rated for fact reporting and analysis. I rely on it a lot for up-to-the-minute reporting, then somewhere like the the NY Times, the Guardian or WSJ for a deep dive into something I read on cnn.com. I listen to NPR and the BBC News Hour when I'm in my car. The best analysis for international relations is Foreign Affairs but it's not in real time.

    I don't watch television news at all.[/QUOTE]
    The fringe dismiss the site as left wing propaganda. I still don’t understand why they fight the accuracy of this site…
     
  9. uftaipan

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    You have it exact. Thieves would steal less if you just allowed them to take whatever they needed openly, you know.
     
  10. g8rjd

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    Because a reporter asked him and he told the truth.
     
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    Isn't the logic of our sanctions regimes against Cuba/Venezuela/Iran that they could avoid economic pain by replacing their government with one more favorable to US interests? Seems like some people here believe that WRT those countries.
     
  12. uftaipan

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    My honest guess is (no BS politics here), much like the belated decision to stop buying Russian hydrocarbons, the President is being led instead of leading, so he’s lagging a bit behind the national will instead of influencing it. And I truly wish that was not the case.
     
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  13. uftaipan

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    He’s referring to the President not answering that question previously when directly asked a couple of times.
     
  14. tampagtr

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    Speculating, but the evidence has gotten clearer, more public, plus the US Senate voted unanimously on the issue, even the 7 that visited Moscow on 4th of July now.
     
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    This is a helpful resource for choosing the most reliable news and analysis.

    Static Media Bias Chart - Ad Fontes Media

    CNN skews a little left but they're highly rated for fact reporting and analysis. I rely on it a lot for up-to-the-minute reporting, then somewhere like the the NY Times, the Guardian or WSJ for a deep dive into something I read on cnn.com. I listen to NPR and the BBC News Hour when I'm in my car. The best analysis for international relations is Foreign Affairs but it's not in real time.

    I don't watch television news at all.[/QUOTE]

    I do read Foreign Affairs a lot, that's one of my go-to's, has a good balance of views there. I read CNN quite a bit for domestic news, slants a bit left, but far better than Fox's slant to the right. I believe Ad Fontes' website is a pretty good bias rating for domestic reporting, for foreign news and analyses however, I've found all mainstream domestic media to be very, very cocooned.

    The consistency alone is alarming, when clearly there are very, very different views outside the country that's usually dismissed as propaganda by domestic outlets universally. It's like an echo chamber. Even when there's a contrarian voice within mainstream domestic outlets, it's typically to serve some domestic partisan politics. I have not found NYT, WSJ, or the Economist to be very good for foreign affairs.

    This is partly why I find Macgregor refreshing. His views are not partisan, but that tends to invite bipartisan criticism of him being a foreign agent, which I absolutely do not dismiss as possible. Nevertheless, I actively seek out opposing views, and try to line them up with verifiable facts on the ground.

    When I see a news outlet consistently crying out the purposeful targeting of civilians, while independent sources like UN's OHCHR reports only 700 civilian deaths as of 3/14, I consider that news source to be biased and unreliable. Even if the actual civilian casualty is 10 times higher, and it's definitely higher than 700, a military like Russia's can easily kill 100 times that in 3 weeks if they were actually targeting civilians.
     
  16. g8rjd

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    Today’s events seem to make it a pretty inescapable conclusion.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    Another shelter hit. Cnn live

    "Public swimming pool used as civilian shelter in Mariupol hit by Russian military strike, local official says

    From CNN's Paul P. Murphy

    The building that houses the "Neptune" swimming pool in northern Mariupol has been hit by a military strike Wednesday, video posted to social media by a city government official shows.

    CNN has geolocated and confirmed the authenticity of the video.

    Maxim Kach, a Mariupol city government official, said that a bomb hit the building and that rescue workers were busy trying to get a pregnant woman out from under the rubble.

    "Here there were only pregnant women & women with kids under three years old," Kach said in the video. Kach also said there were no military personnel at, or near, the pool. "
     
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  18. uftaipan

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    I do agree. But I also agreed over a week ago.
     
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  19. gogator7444

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    Great news! Cnn live

    "Ukraine says it has rescued mayor who was detained by armed men in Russian-occupied city

    From CNN's Tim Lister and Olga Voitovych in Lviv, Paul Murphy and Mariya Knight

    The Ukrainian government says it has staged a rescue of the mayor of the southern city of Melitopol, who was detained by armed men in the Russian-occupied city on March 11.

    "A special operation to release the mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov has just been successfully completed. Vanya is safe. We just talked to him together with the president and the head of the Office. I would like to say only one thing - we never leave our people. Ivan will return to his duties as mayor of Ukrainian Melitopol very soon," Kyrylo Tymoshenko, a senior official in President Volodymyr Zelensky's office, said in a message on his Telegram channel.

    Another video showed a smiling Zelensky speaking on the phone to someone identified by his office as Fedorov."
    ......

    In another story Ukrainian authorities were charging the "new mayor" with treason for her actions/role.
     
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    From CNN live

    "Slovakia has preliminarily agreed to send key Soviet-era air defense system to Ukraine, sources say

    From CNN's Katie Bo Lillis, Natasha Bertrand, Jeremy Herb and Zachary Cohen

    Slovakia has preliminarily agreed to provide Ukraine with a key Soviet-era air defense system to help defend against Russian airstrikes, according to three sources familiar with the matter, but the US and NATO are still grappling with how to backfill that country’s own defensive capabilities and the transfer is not yet assured.

    According to two of the sources, Slovakia, one of three NATO allies that have the defense systems in question, wants assurances that the systems will be replaced immediately.

    If a country provided its S-300s, the supplying country is likely to receive the US-made Patriot air defense missile system to backfill the capability it would be giving up, according to two other sources familiar with the negotiations."
     
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