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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. BLING

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    That guy works for (worked for) Russia today. Looking at posting history, may be a schill for Russian propaganda. Which explains why that thread seems to be celebrating the deaths of these pro-west foreign fighters in Ukraine killed by the missile strikes.
     
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  2. dingyibvs

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    You mean the tweeter? Yes, I know he's on Russia's side, I only meant to show the reddit screenshots. Didn't wanna take the trouble of taking multiple screenshots and uploading them myself. Also, I actively seek out opposing views, which can be difficult given almost all Russian sources are shut down here. I advise everyone to do the same as I did previously on domestic politics threads.

    You can read the reddit threads yourself.

     
  3. demosthenes

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    I only know Rennaud was shot in the neck right after traveling through a checkpoint because another American journalist was with him in the vehicle at the time. The BBC literally video interviewed his friend/fellow journalist while getting treated for a gun shot wound. At that time his friend and fellow journalist didn’t know that Rennaud had died.
     
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  4. PITBOSS

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  5. gogator7444

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    Russia could default on its debt within days - CNN

    "Russia has sent the clearest signal yet that it will soon default — the first time it will have failed to meet its foreign debt obligations since the Bolshevik revolution more than a century ago.

    Half of the country's foreign reserves — roughly $315 billion — have been frozen by Western sanctions imposed after the invasion of Ukraine, Russian finance minister Anton Siluanov said on Sunday. As a result, Moscow will repay creditors from "countries that are unfriendly" in rubles until the sanctions are lifted, he said.

    Credit ratings agencies would likely consider Russia to be in default if Moscow misses payments or repays debt issued in dollars or euros with other currencies such as the ruble or China's yuan. A default could drive the few remaining foreign investors out of Russia and further isolate the country's crumbling economy."
     
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  6. gogator7444

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    Now targeting those who comply with sanctions...

    "Russia’s ruling party proposes to introduce criminal penalties for companies that comply with Western sanctions

    From CNN's Josh Pennington

    The United Russia Party is proposing to hold companies that abide by the sanctions imposed on Russia by Western countries criminally liable, Russian state run news agency Tass reports, citing Andrey Turchak, secretary of the general council of the party.
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    "We have just adopted amendments that established administrative and criminal liability for [companies] that support sanctions against Russian individuals. Moreover, such indirect support for foreign sanctions inside [our] country qualifies as nothing other than treason," Turchak said. The party proposes "to establish harsh, including criminal liability for such [business] entities and their managers for abiding by and implementing Western sanctions," according to Turchak.

    Turchak went on to say that against the background of "western sanctions hysteria, there are recorded cases when Russian companies, including companies with state participation, refuse to work with sanctioned banks and enterprises under the pretext that they themselves risk being targeted with sanctions. Dishonest competitors also take advantage of the situation, actively spreading calls to end cooperation with companies hit by sanctions.""
     
  7. g8rjd

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    Pentagon briefing takeaways.
     
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  8. uftaipan

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    “Restraint” is one way of putting it. In the sense that Chamberlain exercised “restraint” at Munich.
     
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  9. wgbgator

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    I beg people, for the love of god, there are other historical analogies available to use
     
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  10. vaxcardinal

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    Yep. Folks are focused on the distance the missile attacks were to the Poland boarder as if a missile landing in Poland would automatically result in a NATO military response. Its as if people want WW3.
     
  11. dingyibvs

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    There's a lot more to history than WWII, and even within WWII there's a lot of history that people don't know of.

    IMO each situation is unique, and most likely a combination of historical events should be drawn from to get a more fleshed out analogy of the situation.
     
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  12. uftaipan

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    Nobody wants World War 3, including and especially Putin. Very important to remember that as we’re falling all over each other, trying to not to piss him off and letting him do essentially whatever he wants.
     
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  13. tampagtr

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    In terms of what a side wants and plans for vs. what occurs:

     
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  14. wgbgator

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    I'm just proud of anyone not invoking 1938!
     
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  15. tampagtr

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    Have you heard of place called the Sudetenland?
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    Gonna print some shirts that say "Neville Chamberlain did nothing wrong" :)
     
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  18. tampagtr

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    There actually is a substantial body of recent scholarship supporting the revisionist take shown in this movie, although it doesn't articulate Chamberlain's reason similarly to this new scholarship. The new scholarship talks about the fact that his military advisers warned him that Britain was even less ready for war then it would be a year later and really needed two years, which factored into his decisions. The movie doesn't reflect that precise motivation but it is a good watch

     
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  20. tampagtr

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    These things happen regularly from all sides, even in close locations. They key is deconfliction protocols and communications