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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. sierragator

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  2. Swamplizard

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    As Ukrainian families fled their war-torn country at its Polish border, an elite Canadian sniper went the other way, entering Ukraine in the dead of night.

    “I want to help them. It’s as simple as that,” said the soldier, who only gave his nickname, “Wali,” in a recent interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. “I have to help because there are people here being bombarded just because they want to be European and not Russian.”

    Elite Canadian sniper joins Ukraine in fight against Russia
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    Keeping in mind that neutrality doesn't necessarily mean disarmament. Apparently, Russia is not just demanding neutrality, its also demanding that Ukraine disarm and there is no way Zelensky would agree to that condition. Zelensky conditioned the neutrality proposal on security guarantees which were rejected outright by Russia.
    Russia rejects Ukraine 'neutrality' proposal, high-level talks see 'no progress' after Ukraine hospital attack
     
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  5. gogator7444

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    He absolutely shouldn't agree to disarm. Ukraine already agreed to get rid of the nukes they had in return for security from the US & UK, and that Russia would leave them alone. Only Ukraine kept their end of the bargain, because the US/UK sided with the whole NATO can't get involved because Putin has nukes, and Russia never sticks to their end of...anything.

    So to disarm and then depend on Russia to keep their word? That's not a reasonable request.
     
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  6. gogator7444

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    There's a Russian Embassy in Ireland. In the land of petty yet funny, the Irish are voting to rename the road that the Embassy is on "Independent Ukraine Road" :emoji_joy:

    Edit to add: apparently Latvia & some others have done this/are doing this too
     
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  7. sierragator

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    It would not surprise me in the least to see Ukraine (after the russkies finally leave, and they will) beef up their security in case Russia tries to conquer them again in the future.
     
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  8. gogator7444

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    And you bet the US & others will be "selling" a lot of equipment to them. And frankly whatever is left of their Air Force needs updated planes and training. No more of that old MIG garbage.

    Heck doesn't the US still have that airplane cemetery somewhere in the dessert full of decommissioned planes?
     
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    On the equipment side, Ukranian farmers keep hauling equipment off & the joke is the Ukranian farmers are the 5th largest army right now. (Obviously a joke but still). They've hauled off tanks, rocket launchers, satellite units, etc.

    Then some have done videos showing the Russian equipment-- just in lousy shape.
     
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    Yes, for those countries who want it like Ukraine. Don't want to force it on any country that by tradition, culture, religion etc are unprepared for it - i.e. Iraq.
     
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  11. reboundgtr

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    The prototypical spineless State Department. Never trust them agin after they left us stranded in some African country that will remain nameless. They told us yeah you have a C 130 picking you up in a couple hours… 36 hours later. Anecdotal event over.
    Call it what is. War crimes.
     
  12. reboundgtr

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    Iran had a good thing going in 53 until our powers that be shot the joy of democracy in the Mideast out the window.
     
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    Nationalization is a form of theft. Theft is unkind. Nations, in this case the UK, tend to act unkindly when others go stealing property they had been investing in for decades. Weird how that part of the story always gets left out.
     
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    Germany conquers Europe without firing a shot?
     
  16. reboundgtr

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    The British and French carved up the Mid East post WW1. Forever screwing the world. Of the course the Brits were upset at “shock” a sovereign nation keeping its own assets. The 5 permanent members of the security counsel has been the lynch pins in dividing the world acrimoniously for a good while.
     
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    Question can be asked what is the greater evil, nationalization of natural resources or overthrowing a democratically elected government and replacing it with a repressive dictatorship? Also, as an example of the law of unanticipated consequences the Iranian people as well as the rest of the world ultimately ended up with an repressive theocracy intent up spreading it's ideology throughout the Middle East.
     
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    The Swedish SAAB Gripen is probably the ideal fighter jet for Ukraine. As capable as the F-16 while less costly both to purchase and operate. It's also produced by another neutral country.
    Meet the Saab 'Gripen': A Powerful Fighter Jet You've Never Heard Of
     
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