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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

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    There are several dozen highly trained personnel who continue to work at Chernobyl. These people usually work 12 hour shift and then go home for 12 hours. The team that was on duty when the Russians seized the plant have been trapped their working 24/7. These people monitor power levels, water levels and recirculation, ensure pumps and other equipment remains in working order. They likely take radiaiton measurements from time to time and document, etc.....

    Despite the fact that all 4 reactors are now decommissioned, there is a lot of radioactive material still on site and it cannot be left unattended.

    There were also armed security guards (likely dead) who protected the workers and the plant.
     
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  3. BLING

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    I’m not sure if you are being dense or what.

    We were talking about retaliatory sanctions. You mentioned Russia’s “sanctions” against western corporations that have interests there. I was merely pointing out their puny GDP, and that nobody cares about their “sanctions” in a broad scale. Yes, those corporations will get tax write offs, and yes technically that means taxpayers end up subsidizing some of those corp losses. But as the market is relatively puny (the point of me mentioning GDP) literally nobody cares.

    Their oil and gas is their economic lever (and I guess you can call that a form of “sanctions” they can impose). That and nuclear weapons. Their other option would be cyber warfare or criminal gangsterism. But no, they have no power to “sanction” our corporations in any legitimate way. Most of them have already walked away!
     
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    Hoping that Biden grows a pair and that we arrange some way to take the Poland's offer to transfer its MIG-29s to Ukraine. Although the decision declining the offer was attributed to the Pentagon it was almost certainly made at the White House.
     
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  5. gogator7444

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    Apparently still being discussed...and they've sent VP Harris to Poland. You know because something this delicate should be handled by only the most tactful, experienced person. *facepalm*
     
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    I saw some mentioning it doesn’t make sense to “hand these planes” to the U.S. as there aren’t U.S. pilots that can pilot mig 29’s. So why would you put them on a U.S. base in Germany? You’d still need to get Ukranian pilots to fly them into Ukraine. So it’s basically the same problem. It actually moves the planes farther away!
     
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  8. slightlyskeptic

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    I’ve watched lots of video from Ukraine and the amount of abandoned vehicles is insane. Some had flat tires and some look like they just ran out of gas and the crews left them. This speaks volumes to the mindset of the Russian soldiers and the horrible logistics operations of the Russian army in general. As boring as it may sound, logistics wins wars. The ONLY thing the Ruskies have is the threat of nuclear war. If it ever came to a shooting war we’d wipe them out in a couple months.
     
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  9. slightlyskeptic

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    You waaaaaay overestimate and overstate how many people are cheering for Putin.
     
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  10. gogator7444

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    Even 1 is too many.

    Edit to add - and I know this is a very very small minority. I get that. Not all Trump supporters share the love affair with Putin. But even 1 is too many. And I mean outside of Russia which generally ends up brain washed to a degree.
     
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    Let’s not forget, as I stated when this first kicked off, Russia has a long history of starting wars poorly and finishing strong. They might be slow learners, but they learn. Hitler made a grave miscalculation about the competence and potential of the Red Army based on its performance in Finland. We need to continue to treat them as dangerous based on that potential, not on their present performance.
     
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    Better yet, leave domestic politics out of it. Putin is the enemy. Period.
     
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    And this is what is so scary, to us over in the US, because we really don’t know how far Russia intends to take this “war.” Does it end in Ukraine or engross Europe and potentially the World?
     
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    They have overwhelming air superiority, numbers of fighting vehicles, missles and troops. To say their showing has been nothing short of dismal is not an overstatement. The only way I see this going is that they will resort to all they really know and that is to rely on overwhelming and indiscriminate bombardment with “dumb” ordinance from a distance and then ruling over the ruins. Their technology appears to be severely lacking.
     
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    Agree. Think they will start in sections with heavy shelling/bombs in an attempt to break their backs and force a deal. Putin is not going to backup and lose face. Not happening. Meanwhile, more and more evacuations occur internally and externally which is another set of problems and people to care for.
     
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    Yes he is. Every single person regardless of background should agree on that one.
     
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    SpaceX launches Starlink satellites on 'American broomstick' and lands rocket at sea

    "Time to let the American broomstick fly and hear the sounds of freedom," SpaceX's launch director said just before launch. The call was an apparent response to Russian space agency chief Dmitry Rogozin, who said "let them fly on something else, their broomsticks" last week after Russia halted sales of its rocket engines to U.S. launch providers amid economic sanctions following that country's invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24."

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    This is allegedly the hospital after the strike. There is a HUGE hole near the buildings - the whole block of buildings are destroyed. It was a huge missile.



     
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