War in Ukraine

This tweet by The Derpy One has not aged well.

I think Putin had a plan, as he would prefer this dolt in office.

Thanks to Putin’s interference, he got his wish.

Putin playing chess while Derpy plays checkers.

 

Very articulate expression of what I am afraid needs to be done.

 

Russia can’t but Putin can steal its resources for himself and his oligarch cronies.

 

The exact opposite of the truth.

Putin wanted the last guy who bowed and scraped and tried to weaken NATO for him.

Instead, Biden has helped to steel NATO's resolve like Putin never would have predicted.

 

What commitment did the west and Russia make when Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes?

 

Fine. Let’s say you’re right. This crisis is the meeting of right man and right moment for President Biden. He saved NATO from Trump, and NATO is stronger than ever.

What happens next? What decisive action is President Biden going to take? What is Russia going do based on that? And are those of us who are worried that we are going to do nothing of substance and that Russia is going to get a virtually bloodless strategic victory with cascading consequences worried for nothing?

 

Discuss..seems fairly clear to me that Russia knows that the US and the UK guaranteed their safety


Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.

Now, that agreement is front and center
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And it really doesn't look good for the international non-proliferation regime. Because if you have a country that disarms and then becomes a target of such a threat and a victim of such a threat at the hands of a nuclear-armed country, it just sends a really wrong signal to other countries that might want to pursue nuclear weapons.

 

Without looking it up, I believe with that treaty Russia conceded that the Crimea belonged to Ukraine. After Ukraine gave up their nukes and Russia stole the Crimea, I was reminded of this scene from Family Guy. The ball is the Crimea. The bat is Ukraine’s nuclear weapons:

 

To quote GatorFanCF:

Obama 2014 - Russia takes Crimea
Biden 2022 - Russia invaded Ukraine.

Trump - no territory acquired by Russia 2017-2021 but says nice things about Putin; ergo, Trump is Putin’s puppet. Got it. Voters are beginning to see the propaganda for what it is; and, it’s not looking good for the Dems.

 

Not that it's all that important in the the grand scheme of this, but I know certain right posters here have lapped up her shit for years. So here you go.

 

Much of the troop buildup near Ukraine borders took place during Trump administration. This has been building up for years. Plus Putin wouldn’t want to undermine his own puppet.

 

I remembered reading that it was not quite that simple, since they were simply nukes from the USSR. Interestingly, there’s actually quite a helpful discussion on…of all places…Wikipedia:

The air-launched cruise missiles (ALCMs) left by the Russians had been disabled by the Russians during the collapse of the Soviet Union, but even if they had been reconfigured and made to work by the Ukrainians, it is unlikely that they would have had a deterrent effect.[9] Had Ukraine decided to establish full operational control of the nuclear weapons, it would have faced sanctions by the West and perhaps even a withdrawal of diplomatic recognition by the United States and other NATO allies.[9] Ukraine would also likely have faced retaliatory action by Russia.[9] Ukraine would also have struggled with replacing the nuclear weapons once their service life expired, as Ukraine did not have a nuclear weapons program.[9] In exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine received financial compensation, as well as the security assurances of the Budapest Memorandum.[9]

So there were complications both diplomatic, mechanical, and logistic. Not sure, from that perspective, that it is realistic to play Monday Morning QB there.

 

What Iboy said. I don't think you understand the puppet, puppet master relationship.

 

Sure do - i've seen the behind the scenes puppet master pulling the strings on the derpy puppet we have in office presently (i'm not supposed to take questions today, bye)

 

i'm not supposed to take questions today, bye = I need my anti-American, big gov loving safe space.

 

Declaration of war. During the UN Security Council meeting that the Russian Federation is presiding over, no less.

His war speech included this nugget:

Putin: “Whoever tries to intervene from other countries, Russia's response will be immediate and in a way that has never happened in your history. I hope I was heard."

He’s a madman.

 

Explosions in Kyiv just now while CNN reporting from there.