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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. vegasfox

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    Joe Biden said the Russians would invade on February 16, 2022, because he knew that's when Ukraine was going to launch their artillery attack on Russian-speakers in the Donbas
     
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    By “Putin attacked Ukraine in 2014” I assume it is meant that Russia provided material aid to Ukrainian freedom fighters who, with the help of Russia, defeated the Ukrainian nationalist commonly referred to as Nazis.

    Then came Minsk(s) a cynical ploy to give Ukrainian MAGA-types, white supremacists, transphobes, etc., a chance to rearm.
     
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  3. PITBOSS

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    one good impact of Trump tariffs regarding Russia is the sharp drop in price of oil. This is driven by expectations of slowing economies. Russia desperately needs high oil prices.

    1 year

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  4. duggers_dad

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  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    So the AFU was going to launch an artillery strike on its own citizens with a huge build up of Russian group troops on its borders?
     
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  6. vegasfox

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    That's exactly what the AFU did Feb 16-23, 2022. They also planned to send tens of thousands of troops into the Donbas in March of 2022
     
  7. GratefulGator

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    Tommy Norris hates this.
     
  8. CaptUSMCNole

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    Why would they do that with Russian troops massed across their border looking for an excuse to invade?
     
  9. vegasfox

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    As grand strategist Gregory R. Copley said on the John Bachelor Show in October 2021, the Biden administration wanted voters to forget about the disastrous Afghanistan exit so they would try to start a war in Ukraine. This was supposed to help Democrats in the 2022 modterms
     
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    OT sort of, but interesting to know that Europe is going to develop their own joint jet program


    Snubbed by F-35 Deal, Saudi Arabia Fractures Global Fighter Jet Alliances with GCAP Pivot

    Saudi Arabia is showing growing interest in a new international fighter jet program known as GCAP — the Global Combat Air Programme — after being left out of the American F-35 fighter jet deal.

    The GCAP is a joint effort by the United Kingdom, Italy, and Japan to build a new sixth-generation stealth fighter by 2035. This jet aims to include advanced technology like artificial intelligence, radar-evading stealth, and the ability to work together with drones and satellites in warzones.

    Saudi Arabia has long relied on the United States for advanced military aircraft. However, the U.S. has refused to sell the F-35 to the kingdom. This is mainly due to concerns about Saudi Arabia’s ties with China and human rights issues. There’s also a long-standing U.S. policy that prevents Middle Eastern countries from receiving weapons that could challenge Israel’s military edge.

    Frustrated with this roadblock, Saudi Arabia began exploring other options. The GCAP program has now caught the country’s attention.
     
  11. CaptUSMCNole

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    So the Ukrainians were going to give the Russians an excuse to invade their country because they wanted to help Biden and the Democrats in the '22 midterms?

    Also, what makes him a "grand Strategist"?
     
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  12. enviroGator

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    It would be nice if you all would quit arguing with the trolls so the informative posts could get some attention. This used to be a good source of info on the war, now it is like watching two old ladies argue.
     
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  13. CaptUSMCNole

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    There is an ignore button. Feel free to use it.
     
  14. danmanne65

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    I do use it. I don’t see any posts from trolls. I do see good posters responding to the trolls.
     
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  15. enviroGator

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    I've ignored the trolls, but I still see posts from folks like yourself who keep wasting time trying to counter their propaganda. Page after page after page...
     
  16. vegasfox

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    The Ukrainians didn't care about Biden and the Democrats. I would be speculating as to what their motives were. Some of the neo-Nazi element and the military probably wanted to ethnically cleanse Russian-speakers from the Donbas and remake eastern in their image. Some generals probably saw it as a chance to make millions of dollars.

    As for "grand strategy," it is looking at the totality of a country's situation and devising a long term plan for national survival and prosperity. Things to be looked at would include trends in technology, economics, gov't spending and deficit control, military strategies and procurements, foreign policy/diplomacy, energy policy, natural resources management (water, oil, natural gas and so on). What strategies are your enemies using and how to counter those and so on. How populated should your country be? Is the best strategy on Iran to bring it into Western civilization? How best to avoid costly wars? What alliances should we have? Is it smart to fight a proxy war with Russia and push it into aligning with China? How do we promote a good relationship with Niger which has huge uranium deposits? Do we build more surface shops or should we recognize the future of naval warfare is underwater? And so on
     
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    You want us to ask terrorists if the victims of their terrorist campaign have ever done anything to them? We're supposed to have sympathy for the terrorists in this conflict? Do you go around and ask convicted criminals if the police and the legal system ever did anything to them, and then try to make it up to them?
     
  18. CaptUSMCNole

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    Feel free to use the ignore button for me.