Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Don't think it's the first time Putin has done this (someone else mentioned it some pages back I think) so it may be Trump following Putin's playbook...

    That argument is for another thread though.
     
  2. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Sorry that's happening to him. He can reply & say he's fully against it and so sorry this is being done by a madman or he may be better off blocking the person.

    He could always help by forwarding them to relatives in Russia so they see what's happening too.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,730
    1,789
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    Unfortunately a lot of that here in the states as well.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  4. WarDamnGator

    WarDamnGator GC Hall of Fame

    10,783
    1,351
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    It’s pretty safe, if you mean governments can hack it and confiscate it… the shortcoming is cashing it out, which requires an exchange. I could see governments trying to pressure exchanges to not deal with Russians, but so far, the major exchanges, many based in Asia, are business as usual.
     
  5. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    I cant roll my eyes enough...Russia claiming Ukranians using civilians as human shields & not allowing them to leave so they're "resuming" shelling...cnn live

    "Russia says "offensive operations" have resumed in areas where evacuation corridors were agreed upon

    From CNN’s Tim Lister in Kyiv and Mariya Knight in Atlanta

    In a statement to Russian news agency TASS, the ministry said that "not a single civilian was able to leave Mariupol and Volnovakha along the announced security corridors."

    "The population of these cities is being held by nationalist formations as human shields. The nationalist battalions took advantage of the silence to regroup and strengthen their positions," said Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian defense ministry.

    "Due to the unwillingness of the Ukrainian side to influence the nationalists or to extend the ceasefire, offensive operations have been resumed from 18:00 Moscow time," Konashenkov said."
     
  6. akaijenkins1

    akaijenkins1 Premium Member

    1,194
    496
    1,958
    Apr 3, 2007
    These ****ing guys…

    (Rubio and Daines)

     
    • Informative Informative x 4
  7. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    Ladies & Gentlemen, part of the "intelligence committee". *facepalm*
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. DoubleDown11

    DoubleDown11 GC Hall of Fame

    2,974
    214
    198
    Apr 12, 2007
    We've lost the plot. Apparently a couple other reps posted something too.

    These people have no effing clue what it means to actually be at war.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  9. swampbabe

    swampbabe GC Hall of Fame

    3,690
    928
    2,643
    Apr 8, 2007
    Viera, FL
    Do you know who else?
     
  10. DoubleDown11

    DoubleDown11 GC Hall of Fame

    2,974
    214
    198
    Apr 12, 2007
    If you look through that Twitter thread, there's a couple random reps that I'm not familiar with, but also apparently there's some debate over whether they posted screenshots after the call rather than during.

    Either way, I can't believe this is a real thing that people are talking about.
     
  11. WC53

    WC53 GC Hall of Fame

    4,769
    1,000
    2,088
    Oct 17, 2015
    Old City
    I absolutely agree it is Putin not the people..
    But conflation…. And if Orange man taught us anything
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. carpeveritas

    carpeveritas GC Hall of Fame

    2,529
    3,567
    1,998
    Dec 31, 2016
    I think it is important to delineate and separate the oligarch from the assets they own. We are talking seizing assets not oligarchs. Seizing assets without due process should send a shudder down every one's spine. If you want to promote capitalism in any form this is not the way to do it.
     
  13. librarywestpatron2005

    librarywestpatron2005 Senior

    291
    100
    1,708
    Jun 29, 2020
    At least the idiots posting the screenshots were both Democrat and Republican.
     
  14. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    So no sanctions because sanctions that target oligarchs means assets get seized? How do you envision sanctions functioning then?
     
  15. GatorRade

    GatorRade Rad Scientist

    8,670
    1,617
    1,478
    Apr 3, 2007
    I take l’s point. I don’t think Putin believes the nazi thing, but I do think he feels justified in his actions. Either this is because of NATO encroachment or because he thought it wasn’t right for Ukraine to leave the union in the first place. I don’t agree with him, but I am sure in the past I’ve felt that US actions were more justified than many outside the US felt.
     
  16. akaijenkins1

    akaijenkins1 Premium Member

    1,194
    496
    1,958
    Apr 3, 2007
    Where did you see that?
     
  17. librarywestpatron2005

    librarywestpatron2005 Senior

    291
    100
    1,708
    Jun 29, 2020
    Drained a Democrat
    Rubio a Republican
     
    • Disagree Bacon! Disagree Bacon! x 1
  18. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 26, 2007
    No, they're both Repubs
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  19. gogator7444

    gogator7444 GC Hall of Fame

    3,051
    939
    1,858
    Nov 24, 2021
    Buffalo NY
    I could *almost* buy the NATO argument. Putin could've formed his own useless alliance with Belarus & anyone else wanting to join him.

    But to denazify a country whose president is Jewish, then bombard the site of thousands upon thousands of Jewish killed by actual Nazis? To have reasons that could be seen as right, there has to be evidence of it, & the only evidence here is that Putin is using the thin thread of the NATO encroachment followed with the puppet states "asking" for peacekeepers as a pretense. That he is absolutely targeting civilians, women, children. They just killed an 18 month old in the shelling. And now he's trying to film fast propaganda to make sure folks back home only see that he's Russia's hero & only trying to bring peace, where it's the West that wants war.

    Using nonexistent facts plus claiming yourself you want to bring back the USSR throws any reasoning out the window.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    8,801
    1,066
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    My only point was I think there is a difference between justifying something and there being a moral imperative. At the end of the day does it matter? Probably only in how the narratives are played out during and later when recorded into the annals of history.