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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. g8rjd

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    This ****ing guy…

    “If you don’t stop fighting my invasion of your country I won’t even let you have a puppet government under my control.”

    It’s a bold strategy Cotton. Let’s see if it works out for him.
     
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  2. ncargat1

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    I thought 3 days ago Putin said there was no invasion, just a defensive action of ethnic Russians being abused and mistreated by the puppets of the west? Now, it is an invasion?
     
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  3. demosthenes

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    Saw this one. :D
     
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  4. demosthenes

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    Basically my reaction to every piece of Putin news in 2022.
     
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  5. gogator7444

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    Oh good now ask the same Russians believing state media that it wasn't an "invasion" if NOW they believe Putin when he says it's an invasion? Btw I'm guessing he's putting these threats out there to coincide with the 3rd round of "peace talks".

    Oh and apparently sanctions are an act of war, so if he's declaring it's war, what's to stop NATO from reacting? He's literally asking for a war.
     
  6. l_boy

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    Moral grounds are in the eye of the beholder and they are matters of degree. I fully support what we are doing, I think it is easily morally justified. The point is moral grounds can get squishy. Putin in his mind thinks he has moral grounds for what he is doing. In the past we have used moral grounds as a cover for geopolitical and economic reasons.

    Perhaps I’m wrong but I see very few in here who are supportive of Putins actions. The question of whether we get further (directly ) involved is not one of morality, but one of self interest.
     
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  7. g8rjd

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    To be fair, I think that is the NYT characterization (and my sarcastic commentary) that used “invasion,” not Putin.
     
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  8. phatGator

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    Agreed. When the Germans launched the blitzkrieg in World War II, tanks heading into Luxembourg were backed up along a two-lane road for 40 miles or so into Germany. Rather than bomb those columns as sitting ducks, the RAF chose instead to try to bomb Berlin. In their case, the issue was military doctrine. The RAF did not believe they should be supporting ground operations. They were a strategic force in their minds.

    The Germans, on the other hand, had decided that aircraft could be used as mobile artillery, and used them very effectively.

    I’m not saying that’s the same case here, but I am curious what strategic or tactical reason Ukrainians have for not using drones to bomb those assets.
     
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  9. demosthenes

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    I’m not sure it’s a distinction that matters but do you honestly think a “moral” reason is behind Putin’s actions? Do you think he actually believes Nazis are running Ukraine? I see it as an absurd excuse for a pure power play. He believed he could take Ukraine while it’s defense is solely based on its own power.
     
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  10. dingyibvs

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    Despite the obvious propaganda value of the drone strikes on Russian forces you've seen, it's probably not actually easy to attack them with drones. That column has plenty of anti-air weapons embedded, and really you just need a few Tors to cover the entire column against drone attacks, so it's most likely a matter of feasibility rather than willingness.
     
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  11. Spurffelbow833

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    Russia controls the propulsion module that is used to keep the ISS in orbit. Bureaucrats are making noises about Russia leaving now, which will force everyone else to evacuate before the station comes crashing down wherever Sir Isaac Newton would have it.

    The International Space Station isn’t above global politics
     
  12. danmann65

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    I have a friend whose husband is Russian. She says people are treating him poorly. One Ukrainian coworker is blowing up his phone with pictures of dead Russiansoldiers each with the tag line "is this a relative"

    My advice was to start telling people his name is Eyegore and that he was named after Marty Feldman.
     
  13. phatGator

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    Even the good side can have bad guys and the bad side have good guys.
     
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  14. danmann65

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    I get that belief but all science can have unintended uses. I think I support this move.
     
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  15. sierragator

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    That is unfortunate. Having a Russian surname doesn't make someone evil, supporting Putin does.
     
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    I suspect we are about to find out how safe crypto really is. Does it have any purpose other than laundering money and evading taxes?
     
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  17. danmann65

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    The American "patriots" tried to overturn an election. Putin is following Trump's lead here.
     
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  18. danmann65

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    The time to declare something a war crime is after the shooting is over. Biden is trying to leave Vlad a way out.
     
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  19. dangolegators

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    You're getting upset over something no one has said.
     
  20. g8rjd

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    That is really awful. I think most people who pay attention realize this isn’t the Russian people. This is Putin.
     
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