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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. sierragator

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    The gop doesn't want that
     
  2. dingyibvs

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    That's a logic that made sense to Biden, who considered Russia a threat needed to be defended against. Trump doesn't, so he'd be saving $2.5 trillion + $500 billion.
     
  3. okeechobee

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    This is shaping up to be a scenario where Russia helps us invade and annex Greenland. It’ll be just like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. The question then becomes: who will move first? Herr Trump or Putin?
     
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  4. CaptUSMCNole

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    So you have never served a day of your life in uniform? It's great you had those experiences but it does not qualify you to make military recommendations on this conflict, which is the only thing I am asking you to refrain from doing because I have to come up behind you and clear up the misinformation you are spreading.

    To make my point: For the math to work for a GLSDB volley to hit the Kerch Bridge, please tell me the nearest town for a PAA that a GLSDB would have to be able to fire from. Do not just say "the math works", tell me the specific town next to the firing location along the coast of the Sea of Azov.

    And just to be clear, you are saying that there is no point shooting ATACMS into Crimea if it is not in an effort to isolate the peninsula?
     
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  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    So if a ATACMS M57 could be used to "collapse spans" of the Kerch Bridge, how many do you think you would have to fire at the Kerch Bridge in order to have enough strikes on the target to collapse one span of the bridge? And to make the math a little easier, let's assume that there is no EMI and no Russian S-300/S-400 in the area.
     
  6. chemgator

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    Can he sell that to Congress after he helps Russia defeat Ukraine? Some members of Congress (republicans, no less) are walking away from Trump because of Trump's position on the Ukraine War. They realize the obvious: if Trump is willing to negotiate Ukraine to Russia, what other countries is he willing to negotiate away to Putin? You wonder if it would lead to an impeachment. If Putin is guilty of crimes against humanity, and Trump is enabling Putin's crimes, Trump is also guilty of crimes against humanity. Basically, if you support a terrorist, you are a terrorist and needed to be treated like one.
     
  7. duchen

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    Trump is the GOP. They will not stand up to him on anything. Not even their own Congressional interests. Even Ukraine. Or anything else
     
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  8. chemgator

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    You do realize that both the political leaders and countries involved in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact were evil and dangerous to civilization, don't you? Do you find it odd that a supporter of Trump appears to be advocating that the U.S. become more like Nazi Germany? I don't want you to get in a "Fuhrer" or anything, but just wanted to see if you are capable of honest self-reflection.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    Hereby referred to as the Republican Prolongation Caucus.
     
  11. JustaGator

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    You know that a span is the deck between two piers, right?
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    Whatever happened with Ukraine’s fixation with the Kerch Bridge ?
     
  13. JustaGator

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    Clear up my misinformation - sure feel free when you find some!

    Anywhere on the Byriuchyi/Fedotova spit (130-150km) would work up to the coastal town Kyrylivka (150) to target up to the shipping channel under the bridge.

    No, I am not saying there is no point in shooting ATACMS into Crimea to isolate the peninsula, but with the land bridge open along the northern Sea of Azov, I would think the Ukrainians would save their best weapons for higher priority targets.
     
  14. duggers_dad

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    As I recall an ATACM killed a little girl frolicking on a beach in Crimea. But I think Ukraine ran out them before they could kill more little rugrats.
     
  15. G8trGr8t

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