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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. slayerxing

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    Woof lol. The things floating around in some people’s brains…
     
  2. gator_jo

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    Whoa! Unhinged much?

    Seriously, you should evaluate your diet of Trumpy "news." Maybe there's something you can consume that contains a little bit less vitriol?

    Or are you just still really angry that Ukraine invaded Russia?
     
  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    If the RGF is killing the AFU at a 10:1 ratio, a couple of questions:

    1. When have we ever seen an offensive force be able to inflict a 10:1 causality ratio of the force in the defense in a conventional conflict?
    2. If that were true, how is this conflict still ongoing at this point? As a force of 240k RGF troops would have been able to wipe out the entire 1.2M members of the AFU, correct?
    3. Link for that ratio?
     
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  4. chemgator

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    Russia, for the most part, does not want its dead troops back. That means admitting they were killed, and paying the widows, which are two things that Putin would rather not do. Or, to speak more clearly, cannot afford to do.

    You should take the shovel that you have (any one will do) and see if you can hit yourself over the back of the head with it. Let us know if that helps.
     
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  5. chemgator

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    Once there has been a certain amount of evidence, including captured North Koreans, your story becomes more of a fantasy. You and your lunatic sources are the only ones claiming that there have been no North Koreans fighting for Russia. And the idea that anyone would want to use large missiles like ATACMS against infantry as a justification is fairly absurd, unless all North Koreans fight in groups of several hundred packed shoulder-to-shoulder.
     
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  6. CaptUSMCNole

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    You are correct but at some point in the future, we'll need to revisit this.
     
  7. chemgator

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    An interesting article on the need to provide Ukraine with the weapons that they need, not just any weapons that are left over in stockpiles. Also, Ukraine seems to have a preference for simpler and cheaper weapons, based on the Soviet training that they originally had. The West has not invested enough in training for the Ukrainians to understand how to use these advanced weapons we are giving them. Ukraine also does not value some of the weapons that much if they aren't helping them at the moment, and they often abandon weapons that they don't have an immediate need for.

    One case is their use of Javelin and NLAW anti-tank weapons. Russia is afraid to use their tanks in an offensive capability except for rare cases. So Ukraine either uses their Javelin missiles against non-tank targets, including infantry, or they abandon the weapons when they retreat. Britain believes that Russia has picked up so many abandoned Javelin anti-tank missiles that Russia now has more of these weapons than Britain does. At one point, Ukraine fired five NLAW missiles at Russian lines (not tanks), with a cost of over $100k.

    Ukraine needs artillery shells, not short-range missiles. Give them what they need, and they won't either start using other weapons or abandoning the weapons in the field. Seems like a GWB idiocy: in the original War in Afghanistan, GWB provided the Taliban with about half of their ammunition through donations to Pakistan.

    Nato at odds with Ukraine over Soviet-style tactics

     
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  8. BLING

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    Weren’t the javelins instrumental early on? Sounds like perhaps a little too effective.
     
  9. chemgator

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    They were. But when Russia changed tactics, Britain should have stopped sending them things they no longer needed, and sent more of what they did need. When you send them the wrong things, they just get in the way, or the Ukrainians dispose of them. They should have kept the majority of the anti-tank weapons in a rear storage location, so they could be brought to the front within a couple hours notice, and done more to send the things they did need, and get those items to the front.
     
  10. duggers_dad

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    1. Is based on an ancient and outmoded axiom based on offensive forces exposing themselves by rushing to overcome defensive forces that are operating from fortifications. But in this war, it is the Ukrainians that have exhibited impatience and it is the Russians who’ve operated cautiously and methodically and vastly outgunning the Ukrainians.

    I’ll leave that here for the moment …
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    I see the javelins trope.
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    Let’s come clean. You don’t care one with about the Ukrainians. You just hate Russians.

    And the proxy war is affording you the occasion to operationalize your hatred.
     
  13. CaptUSMCNole

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    The Ukrainians are in heavily fortified defensive positions. Not sure how that how that is "exhibited impatience." This is really classical warfare and the Russian are sustaining much heavier causalities than the AFU. If that were not the case, the current front lines would be moving much more than they are.
     
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  14. danmanne65

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    It’s funny this has been the way Russians have historically fought wars send wave after wave of meat at the frontline. Declare victory if the opponents run out of bullets. Surrender if they run out of meat.
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    I am suggesting that the notion that the Russians are attacking in “meat waves” is sheer projection.
     
  16. CaptUSMCNole

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    Then how are the Russians launching daily attacks against the dug in Ukrainian positions using infantry with little to no armor or mechanized support?

    If everything you are suggesting is true, why are the front lines not reflecting it?
     
  17. duggers_dad

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    They are ?
     
  18. CaptUSMCNole

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    Yes, they are. Hence the term "meat waves."

    To be fair, the proliferation of UAV's across the battlefield have led to these tactics since a drone operator is not going to use a FPV drone on a signal infantry solider but they will use it against any decent size vehicle. That means that dismounted infantry is the only thing that can attack without being swarmed with FPV's.
     
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  19. demosthenes

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    FTR, I’ve seen a ton of FPV drone strikes on lone soldiers in the combat footage subreddit. I don’t know what percentage of drone strikes it represents (probably is much more slanted toward vehicles as you state) but it is happening.
     
  20. duggers_dad

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    I’ve seen evidence that Russia throwing meat waves at the Ukrainians. Are you sure you’re not talking about the “10,000 North Koreans” ?