War in Ukraine

Yeah dude isolationism in a global economy. China won’t take advantage at all. Trust me bro.

 

#YAWN

 

Lol! Yelling "yawn"?

Wut you saying bro?

 

Well that was almost fun.

Bye.

 

You have a point. lol

#yawn

 

I made better points in the post you YAWNED at.

Guess if it doesn't fit the script, it bores you.

....don't let me keep you from your impassioned pearl clutching.

Carry on.

You we're shitting your britches something about very scary Russia..

 

Naw, no clutching pearls (lol)

I don’t like Russia and their attacking Ukraine. How they’ve murdered their citizens, imprisoned some, enslaved others, kidnapped their children, destroyed their infrastructure, etc.

it’s called compassion.

You should try it some time.

 

When we balance our budget, shut down our borders, reign in fentanyl deaths, and extract Chicom contamination in our institutions and leadership.... ill bleed blue n yeller...

Until then, my compassion is running deficits on our actual own.

 

That would be nice but it’s not going to happen and hasn’t in the history of the US. Can it get better,,, yes.
However, there’s more than just internal issues that are important to the US.

fwiw. I don’t think giving outdated arms to Ukraine is going to hurt our budget or deficit. Those are just excuses.

 

I actually agree with you H. Our army navy surplus isn't going to break us (though the $200 billion is overboard); Russia invading Ukraine was not warranted (as far as I can tell, though i own there is a counter argument that may have merit);

...where we diverge, is the degree to which i care about this war, vs many in this thread, including you, and most Dems. It registers very low on my hierarchy of concerns.

East. Of. NATO.

What's the point of NATO, if we're gratuitously extending NATO's tentacles east of NATO's eastern most border???

....speaking of borders--all the while ours is getting penetrated more than a New Orleans whore house during Mardi Gras.

Imagine how far that same 200 Billion (not M but B) could have gone to shoring up our own border...

 

Rut row…

Zelenskyy suggests 'hot phase' of Ukraine war could end in return for NATO membership if offered - even if seized land isn't returned immediately

 

lol nato membership isn’t happening he’s dreaming. But it’s good to have dreams I guess.

 

Russia has to pay a price if Putin wants to keep the territory they have gained in a peace deal. Ukraine already is more NATO-ized then some NATO members at this point.

Any deal is going to have +/- for Putin. If Ukraine is not admitted to NATO, then there is nothing to stop Ukraine from conducting operations against the Russians along the "border" for the next 5 to 10 years. That is going to tie up the majority of Russia's land forces in the West that are already significantly under strength due to the war over the last three years.

If Ukraine is admitted into NATO, then every NATO member is going to be a restraining force on Ukraine. They are not going to want Ukraine to do anything that would result in Russia taking an action that could result the invoking of Article 5. That could mean that Russia does not have to have as many troops along the border with Ukraine.

 

The West installed Zelensky is a pretender. Ukraine will never be part of NATO. The USA will pull out all of its operatives, and Ukraine will have a national election. Then, on to Syria.

 

Especially not with NATO encompassing all of Ukraine, with Russia already there.

That's retroactively starting WW III.

 

Says the guy who endorses to the last dead Ukrainian so American troops don’t have to die en masse.

 

The U.S. is manifestly NOT in the driver’s seat.

 

Russia would trade the land grab for assurances Ukraine would stay out of NATO before they’d accept the terms you are suggesting. That is the essence of why Russia is in these areas to begin with.

 

The west has no leverage to negotiate Ukraine into nato without legit threatening war. That’s it. There is no economic incentive in a vacuum that Russia will accept imo. I just doubt the west has the stones to make that threat and mean it. Honestly if the alliance legit did that I think Russia would walk away if we gave them a tasty enough carrot to choose over the stick. But we don’t have the leadership anywhere to pull that off.

 

Can you imagine Putin or Xi talking this way about what they want to do to Americans ?