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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    Ukraine is not allowed to use British Storm Shadow missiles on targets in Russia because the Brits are afraid that the U.S. will not approve. The U.S. also does not allow Ukraine to use ATACMS missiles on targets in Russia. Time to step up, Biden.

    Ukraine can't use the UK's Storm Shadow missiles on targets inside Russia because the US is standing in the way: reports

     
  2. chemgator

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    Russia does not trust the U.S. ban on using ATACMS against targets on Russian soil, so they moved 90% of their military aircraft out of range of Ukrainian-held territory.

    Russia relocated 90% of its aircraft so they won't be in range of Ukraine's ATACMS, report says

     
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  4. chemgator

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    Ukraine has 245 targets lined up in Russia once they get the green light to "attack 'em".

    Ukraine could strike at least 245 targets inside Russia with ATACMS if the US would let it, new interactive map shows

     
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    They shouldn't be flying them in live combat yet.
     
  6. uftaipan

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    That seems to be the rumor, that we are the obstacle again. If so, you can once more thank our buddy Jake Sullivan, the lawyer and political hack posing as a natiional security advisor, who has been at the front of every dumb strategic decision this country has made since 2021. If there was any justice, this milquetoast should have a seat much hotter than Billy Napier’s. And yet here we are. No one even talks about replacing this dumbass.
     
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  7. slayerxing

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    are you drunk? I didn’t say shit about annexing… wtf?
     
  8. G8trGr8t

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    so tired of pansy Biden and his boy Jake being afraid. hell the Netherlands is less afraid than we are and ahve approved the use of their f-16's to strike inside Russia. Biden has slow played and held back and it has cost ukraine dearly in terms of blood and territory, out of fear of what? damn pansy

    Netherlands Says Ukraine Can Use Its F-16s To Strike Russian Territory (msn.com)

    One of Ukraine's key allies has said that the country is may use its fighter jets "as it wishes" on strikes inside Russia, reflecting a more relaxed stance on how Kyiv employs Western-supplied weaponry.

    Permission to use Western weapons on Russian soil has become a key point of contention between Ukraine and its allies, with Kyiv claiming this could turn the tide in the conflict. The statements from the Dutch top brass indicate that Ukraine's other allies may soon follow suit, loosening restrictions on its activities deeper within Russia.

    "We have not placed any restrictions on the use and range of the F-16, provided that the laws of war are adhered to," Netherlands' Chief of Defence Onno Eichelsheim told Dutch outlet NOS in remarks published on Thursday.

    "Ukraine can use the resources we provide as it wishes, provided that it is adhered to the humanitarian law of war," the general added.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    damn shame if this is true and the f-16 was brought down by friendly fire or malfunction. it would seem that if it was anything other than a missile that brought it down that the pilot would have had time to eject

    ''Friendly fire'' by Ukrainian air defence among lines of inquiry into F-16 fighter jet crash – Voice of America | Ukrainska Pravda

    Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said that various lines of inquiry are being considered, including "friendly fire" from Ukrainian air defences, a technical malfunction and pilot error.

    "But the exact reasons will be known only after the completion of the investigation," he said.

    Earlier, an official statement from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said that during an air fight, "communication was lost" with an F-16 aircraft while it was approaching the next target.

    "As it turned out later, the plane had crashed, and the pilot was killed," the General Staff said in a statement.
     
  10. uftaipan

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    That makes sense, given they were under missile attack at the time. The transponder on the plane is supposed to keep friendly guided missiles from targeting it, but mistakes happen. We shot down a British Tornado in 2003 that was not squawking the correct Mode 4.
     
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  11. exiledgator

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    This was in my feed this morning. Fits most the theories we've had in here though I wonder about the big package

    Zelenskyy’s new plan to end the war, explained

    • Continuing Ukraine’s recent incursion into Russia’s Kursk region — troops entered the area in early August and now hold more than 500 square miles of territory in an effort to pull Russian troops away from the frontline in eastern Ukraine.
    • Ensuring “security architecture” — a vague element that likely refers to Ukraine’s potential membership in NATO and the European Union.
    • Receiving a “powerful package” — likely referring to weapons — which will push Russia to enter into negotiations. Ukraine has requested more arms from allies (Zelenskyy will also probably ask permission to use weapons in Russian territory, something that was until recently forbidden).
    • Advancing an economic component — there’s little clarity about this piece of the plan, but it likely refers to increased sanctions on Russia.
     
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    Let us then redouble our efforts to keep the Netherlands supplied with F-16s.
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    Ukraine's New Grom-2 Ballistic Missile Puts Moscow Within Range (msn.com)

    President Zelensky announced the successful test of the Grom-2 on August 27, 2023. While specific details were initially scarce, Podolyak later confirmed the missile’s range in an interview with Novina Live, according to WP.

    The Ukrainian defense industry has been working on the Grom-2 for nearly two decades, with its first test launch dating back to 2018.
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    The missile's ability to strike "high-value targets" deep within Russian territory, such as the Engels Air Force Base, where Russia's strategic bombers are stationed, is particularly significant.

    Notably, Ukrainian forces successfully tested the Grom-2 again in 2023, and there is speculation that it may have been used in the attack on Russia's Saki Air Base in Crimea in 2022. The Ukrainian military continues to refine this weapon, focusing on improving its resistance to GPS jamming, which could hinder its precision.
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    This is how Western midwits pretend that they are not at war with Russia and shield themselves from the realization they are losing that war …

     
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    Makes sense since the US vetoes them using western weapons to hit Russia. Hit them with homegrown Ukrainian weapons.
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    Only three downsides to this …

    (1) it will only stiffen the resolve of the Russian public.

    (2) it will not affect what’s happening on the frontlines where Ukraine is buckling.

    (3) Russia will only hit back ten times harder.
     
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