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War in Ukraine

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  1. G8trGr8t

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    russian pilot, upset by bombing of children's hospital, gives intel to Ukraine to identify members of squad that has been bombing russian cities. hit list or intel for international charges

    Russian pilot's shocking betrayal reveals commanders behind hospital attack (msn.com)


    When Russia attacked the largest children's hospital in Ukraine, Okhmatdyt in Kyiv, one of the Russian pilots rebelled and provided Kyiv with data that enabled the identification of 30 commanders of the heavy bomber aviation division of the Russian Federation.
    As described by Ukrainska Pravda, citing sources in the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, on July 8, one of the pilots from the 22nd Heavy Bomber Aviation Division contacted the Ukrainian intelligence chatbot.

    The Russian wrote that "he was shocked by the attack on the children's hospital," so he decided to hand over documents related to the activities of his military unit to the Ukrainian side, as well as private photos of the command of the 22nd Heavy Bomber Aviation Division.

    The information includes documents from the personnel files of senior officers, personal data of Russian soldiers and their family members, and more. The sealed documents are the most valuable.

    Ukrainian intelligence released one of the photos. It shows the commanders of the 22nd Division. Most of them have already been identified. The photo includes, among others, the commander of the Tu-95 bomber, the assistant navigator of the aviation squadron, and the head of state secret services. The photo shows commanders, captains, generals, lieutenants, and colonels.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    (1) Ukraine has lost more troops in its ballyhooed offensives than Russia has lost the entire war.

    (2) On every front Russian artillery and/or missiles are more capable and/or more plentiful than Ukraine’s. Throw you a bone: the West may have the edge in ISR and drone technology, which is ironically the major reason why Russia has to advance slowly but slowly.

    (3) pure projection.

    (4) nonsensical talking points straight from the ISW.
     
  3. VAg8r1

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    I assume that your source is the Russian Ministry of Defense.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    I never use MOD as a source, almost always Western sources.
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    Yes, most Western sources simply regurgitate Ukrainian sources. Just one of many reasons why such reports are nonsensical is that even Ukrainian sources admit that they have been greatly outgunned from the beginning.
     
  7. uftaipan

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    I sure hope that pilot has already defected.
     
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  8. ursidman

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    This is hard to believe. We were told only yesterday and in no uncertain terms that Russia has not lied during this war.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    And his family too
     
  10. chemgator

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    . . . who use the Russian Ministry of Defense as their source. Gotcha, Lee Harvey. Good work. No one will ever see through your clever disguise. You only choose the finest Twitter posters with the most credibility, with names like "Simplicious the Duplicitous". Sounds like a regular Walter Cronkite.
     
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  11. chemgator

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    If Ukraine was greatly outgunned (and greatly outmanned) from the beginning, why is Russia not in possession of the entire country by now? Why haven't they won the war already? Why has Ukraine fought them to a stalemate? Why has Russia's navy been defeated by a country with no navy? Why doesn't Russia own the skies, and bomb Ukrainian positions at will, without having to rely on glide bombs? Why has Russia lost thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, when Ukraine has lost only a small fraction? WHY?
     
  12. chemgator

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    Russian ally North Korea demonstrates how civilized they have become by executing 30 middle schoolers for watching South Korean TV shows that were on memory sticks floated over the DMZ in balloons. So, if you support Russia, you are kinda also supporting North Korea and their executions. We're lookin' at you, Lee Harvey.

    North Korea executed 30 teenagers for watching South Korean dramas: reports

     
  13. Tjgators

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    You won't see this on 60 minutes, but I believe all will find interesting.

     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    In which case the MOD would likely be more reliable than your Ghost of Kyiv and Institute for War Pigs. You know you’re losing, don’t you Stepan Bandera ?
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    Chosun TV is a propaganda arm of the South Korean government noted for fabricating stories with zero evidence. You know you’re losing town after town to emaciated Russians subsisting on zoo animals armed only with shovels, right Stepan ?
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    Doomsday Clock ninety seconds from midnight and what happened to the antiwar left ?

     
  17. chemgator

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    The anti-war left in Europe and the U.S. support the war in Ukraine because that prevents future wars (and larger wars involving more countries, like the U.S. and the countries in Europe). It doesn't take too many brain cells to figure that one out. With a few more working brain cells, one can deduce that the people posting questions like "why aren't millions protesting the war?" are repeating propaganda from the Kremlin.

    We are de-escalating the war in Ukraine. One dead barbarian (Russian) at a time. It is sad that a lot of Russian troops have no interest in fighting Ukraine, but they still have to die for Ukraine to win Putin's war and regain their freedom and independence from the invaders. Hopefully, the F-16's will give Ukraine a significant advantage and break the stalemate in Ukraine's favor.
     
  18. demosthenes

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    Didn’t mean much for that helicopter pilot that defected. Russia sent a hit squad after him in Spain and shot him 12 times.
     
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  19. ATLGATORFAN

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    have listened to him before. Thanks for posting
     
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  20. PITBOSS

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    I doubt many will watch a 70 min YouTube video. Any key takeaways or conspiracies? I see he also had a 2 hour video on “The Deep State”.
     
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