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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. uftaipan

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    More on the same topic I found:

    Putin red-faced as Russia drops 40 'mega bombs' on its own cities (msn.com)
     
  2. dingyibvs

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    I thought the point was that international laws need to be followed? Isn't the purpose of international law to decide what constitutes a "good reason"? Who gets to decide what's a good reason then if not international laws? Bush? Putin? Are you so naive as to believe there are universal good reasons? How many wars have started in human history where both sides believed they were in the right?
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    Hey, it could work …

     
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  5. chemgator

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    We are all hoping that Russia surrenders as soon as possible. They are just delaying the inevitable. Russia is excellent at losing wars (when they do not have the assistance of a major superpower), but often a little slow to realize that they are actually losing.
     
  6. ATLGATORFAN

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    sure. The climate left would lose their collective minds if Joe announced he made a deal to purchase Ukrainian energy at 50% market rate for next 10 years because of our support for Ukraine. It would be smart thing to do as we wouldn’t need to import any, we could turn around and sell those contracts and keep the profit. To the climate left looms this would be blasphemy to purchase any fossil fuel Energy even at 50% discount… so it would
    Never happen.

    I’ve said from beginning I’m behind us sending whatever weapons we want, just no Americans lose their lives for Ukraine.
     
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  7. ATLGATORFAN

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    You negotiate when you hand over the money not after. seems a bit of a projection to me. Everyone knows it’s taco Tuesday.
     
  8. sierragator

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    Pootie is holding onto the hope that if Trump wins in November that US aid for Ukraine will evaporate starting in January 2025. Trump has said as much. Ukraine will have to rely on aid from other sources in that event, plus the horrible messaging about the US abandoning an ally. High fives in Moscow and gop caucuses everywhere.
     
  9. l_boy

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    I’m not an expert, but what sort of Ukrainian energy?

    From some quick googles Ukraine is not an energy net exporter, so I don’t know where you think it’s supposed to come from. Half of their energy production is nuclear. How do they export that?

    Even if it were a net exporter selling energy at 50% market rate would be losing money.

    As to climate left, sure, there are some who prioritize reduction of fossil fuels over all else but the fact of the matter is we produce and consume more gas year after year, and most Democrats aren’t bitching about it

    Not to be a dick but your post is completely nonsensical.
     
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  10. chemgator

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    Would the energy be shipped over in batteries, or would we have to run a high voltage line across the Atlantic Ocean? Or would they be sending psychic energy?

    Either way, you would like to give them the choice of being overrun and enslaved or being robbed? Isn't it enough for you that they are fighting our war for us? Defeating our main enemy of the last 75+ years? Upholding democracy with their lives? You want to pick their pockets as they lay dying? Should you be presiding over their funerals, removing any gold fillings that they may no longer need, to satisfy your greed? "I think I got them all. Now you can start the funeral!"
     
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    If you were correct, which thankfully you are not, America would be guilty of what our adversaries always accuse of doing...intervening in another country's affairs to "steal" their energy.

    A 50% off energy deal is not why we are assisting Ukraine.
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    The U.S. running out of missiles in the Red Sea, after which it will move to finish off Russia in preparation for dusting off China and Iran …

    The deployments, and constant interceptions, have eaten into the U.S. Navy’s own magazines. Congressional aides said the United States isn’t producing nearly enough of the standard air defense missiles used by U.S. escort ships in the Red Sea to shoot down Houthi drones and missiles. “As long as the burn rate remains as precipitously high as it’s been over there, we’re in a bit more of a precarious position,” one aide said, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk candidly about U.S. munitions shortfalls. Why Can’t the U.S. Navy and Its Allies Stop the Houthis?, Foreign Policy

    The Houthis' Hypersonic Missile is a Game-Changer in Red Sea
     
  13. sierragator

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    Reminds of when dear leader wanted to "take" Iraq's oil.
     
  14. ATLGATORFAN

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    Take whatever stance you wish, but it would absolutely be good policy to get something in return for unlimited supply of weapons and cash. We left generations of REE in Afghanistan after 20 years.
     
  15. G8trGr8t

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    and another, when glide systems don't glide, things don't go as planned. sabotaging the electronics or some other component associated with the manufacturing of these bombs would seem like a good cybertarget. good old drunken russian corruption and incompetence may be just as good. all that damage and no deaths. surprising

    Russian bomb mishap: Massive FAB-3000 devastates Belgorod village (msn.com)

    On July 2, 2024, in the Russian village of Yugo-Zapadnaya, south of Belgorod (approximately 50 miles from Kharkiv), a powerful FAB-3000 bomb was lost by the Russian air force.

    The bomb left behind a 26-foot crater and damaged 39 buildings and 19 cars. At least six residents were injured.
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    I’m going to tag this post and check back when Russia surrenders.
     
  17. ATLGATORFAN

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    sure it’s not the primary reason but cash and weapons aren’t free. And we are sending massive amounts of both. It would absolutely be wise policy to negotiate a return. If we decided later it would be in our best interests, we could forgive all or a portion of the debt, or even sell it to someone else and retain the profit. If it’s my country and someone came to my aid I would be happy for the opportunity to repay that debt.
     
  18. G8trGr8t

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    not good news if correct. perhaps why they don't have the f-16's yet and why there is a new push to get more patriot systems into the country. the fact that they felt ok parking 7 SU 27's in one area at once is misconduct on their part though.

    Ukraine faces severe air force losses in costly Russian strike (msn.com)

    An attack carried out by the Russian Federation army on Monday, July 1, resulted in the Ukrainians losing at least two Su-27 fighter jets. However, this is not the end of the losses suffered by the defenders at the Myrhorod airport (in the Poltava region), located about 90 miles from the front line.

    The Monday attack conducted by Russian forces will significantly impact the condition of the Ukrainian Air Force. According to Forbes, the Russian Federation had identified at least six supersonic Su-27 fighter jets parked in the open at the Myrhorod airbase.

    The effects of the aerial survey did not take long to materialize. The Russian army launched an Iskander missile towards the airport, hitting the designated target. The Ukrainian losses proved significant, as the Russians destroyed two Su-27 jets during the shelling, while four others were damaged.

    Forbes notes that the attack on July 1 could be "one of the costliest days for the Ukrainian Air Force since the beginning of the Russian invasion." As we read, the Ukrainian Air Force had about 125 Su-27, Su-25, MiG-29, and other aircraft before the war began. According to the Oryx group's findings, Ukrainians lost at least 90 machines during 28 months of frontline fighting. "These losses are unaffordable,"—writes Forbes, reminding that American F-16 fighter jets, which Russian artillerymen and drone pilots will undoubtedly target, are expected to arrive in Kyiv soon.
     
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  19. duggers_dad

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    Sober note: weapons and aid to Ukraine has never stopped, amounts to hundreds of billions, and Russia is close to destroying said weaponry three times over.

    Never mind Ukraine and its million troops, mercenaries and conscripts, the collective West was never going to defeat Russia.
     
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