War in Ukraine

100% Ukraine’s decision, but I wouldn’t take it if I were them. And I don’t think they will.

 

MTG was lying down on the runway trying to block the cargo planes.

 

Come now. Let’s not exaggerate. That would take way too much initiative for her.

 

sierra, Moscow is all over the place issuing B.S. statements, this will be followed by Nuke rattling at 11 tonight. You get my drift.
Besides, Zelenski has stated countless times that any treaty with this person and his puppet regime means NOTHING. Shit he has everyone killed that opposes him.

Remember 2014 and all they wanted was to police and protect the "White Russians of Crimea"? LOL

IMO absolutely YES Ukraine should and must become a NATO member, moves are being made in that respect.

 

This is the only point on which Ukraine should negotiate. Russia removes itself to its borders, and NATO, Ukraine, and Russia sign a tripartite treaty that guarantees Ukraine’s political and military neutrality. Ukraine may never join an alliance, but — like Belgium before WW1 — the signing parties must respond to any future attacks on Ukraine by another country.

 

We could have peace in our time, eh, Neville? You might want to read about a little event called WWII and see how that approach worked out for the isolationists.

There is no question that Russia and China are both on an imperialist path (and the U.S. is not). Iran is slightly different. They would rather control their neighbors through support of terrorism and violence in other countries than physically take control of their neighboring countries. The U.S. has supported rule of law across the globe, generally as dictated by the United Nations.

Only a uneducated fool would believe that the U.S. has run roughshod over the globe without any rhyme or reason.

 

An ATACMS takes out yet another Russian air defense system, either an S-300 or S-400, as the doomed defense system desperately tries to defend itself, firing at least six missiles to no avail.

ATACMS Obliterates Russian Air Defense System As It Desperately Tries To Defend Itself

 

Strike On Russian Strategic Early Warning Radar Site Is A Big Deal

Ukraine hit russias strategic early warning site in the south west. An interesting development. Russia can’t stop these drone at all…

 

Have to wonder how many Sam's are left. Will the f16's be unchallenged?

 

Those radar stations are likely able to help coordinate Russian air strikes and detect incoming drones, missiles, and Ukraine air support similar to awacs already took out

 

Didn't that happen when they agreed to give up their nukes

 

This, of course, would be the same Russia agreeing to end the war that signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances respecting the "independence and sovereignty
and the existing borders of Ukraine" when Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons.

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/s_1994_1399.pdf

How many times must one catch their significant other in bed with another before that person should come to the conclusion their significant other is a slut and not to be trusted?

 

You just don’t get it. Ukraine would have signed on for this a long time ago. The U.S. and Britain won’t allow for it. The entire reason we’ve had advisors in Ukraine for going on two decades. It wasn’t to keep Ukraine as a neutral state. How you don’t recognize this boggles the mind.

 

Maybe it’s you who’s hard of understanding. Russia won’t sign on the deal I framed because it isn’t really about keeping Ukraine neutral. It’s about the land grab. They are signaling that they will settle for the current lines (which is not much relative to their casualties) and keep what they’ve taken to cut their losses in what has been a disastrous war for them. But, hey, maybe you want to spin this latest bloodletting Russia took advancing on Kharkiv as, like, another brilliantly executed feint?

 

Not to my understanding. No one guaranteed Ukraine’s neutrality in the sense that I meant, and not joining NATO was never part of any bargain (despite what Russia might tell you). But, again, it’s a moot point, because this isn’t really about keeping Ukraine “neutral.” That’s was only ever a pretext. Just like Putin has openly said, the Russians do not feel and never have felt that Ukraine is a real country whose sovereignty should be respected. It’s just a renegade part of a long-dead empire that must be fully assimilated again at some point.

 

I beg to differ. They could stop them today. Request a ceasefire while withdrawing forces to their January 2014 borders. I guarantee Ukraine will honor their request for ceasefire while a peace treaty is hammered out.

 

What is the U.S. capable of doing that would FORCE Ukraine to do anything? Do you really think that we threatened Ukraine by saying we would drop nuclear weapons on them? Are you that gullible, or are you just addicted to Russian propaganda? Can I call you Mother Tucker?

 

The only leverage we have is to stop supplying aid, but that only works effectively if the rest of the West also stops. You saw what happened with the shenanigans last fall. Other countries stepped up their contributions while we sorted our stuff out, and we just ended up looking like douchebags who couldn’t separate petty domestic politics from the national interest. But why would we put such pressure on Ukraine except in the very unlikely event that the Russian front collapsed due to domestic turmoil and Ukraine, like, tried to do a punitive expedition into Russia?

 

If Ukraine wants to surrender or negotiate a peace with Russia, then they will not need military aid. Obviously, Ukraine is free to do as they choose. Our "leverage" with them only works at all if they want to continue fighting. I think okey-dokie is just responding to Russian propaganda delivered by Tucker. He may not be capable of advanced logic.