War in Ukraine

My line is NATO. That is THE line.

Not interested in what goes on East of that line, other than fostering stability over chaos, for the simple fact of MAD.

(NOW, going outside that region like what the *Soviet Union* was doing in Afghanistan, and meddling by proxy in N. Korea, N. VN, etc, is problematic--which is why we fought those battles (battle fronts of the cold war) to begin with).

Again, they're not sticking their peckers in Mexico or Canada.

If we sought to invade Mexico due to their reckless and in fact, intentional infusion of fentanyl into our country....

Any of Russia's damn business?

(I'm not advocating we invaded Mex, just saying IF...).

 

I understand that, I'm just playing out 2 different extremes. One where Russia proceeds to gobble up countries like they did in the early post wwii soviet era on one hand, vs complete collapse.

I'd actually favor the first scenario to the latter.

So yesh, it's not necessarily an either or prop.

....but the paranoia of the first scenario, is repelling resolution in the between grounds, which ushers on the latter extreme for juxtaposition.

Hence the reference to JFK (and contrast to Doh!).

Who (but us Cubans) maintains that JFK capitulated?

The verdict seems clear that JFK was very instrumental in staving off nuclear engagement (...at the bargain price of his life, and my ppl's homeland).

We'd probably have kicked Russia's ass in a nuclear war in 1962!

....and it'd only have cost us our planet.

 

So going into Afghanistan was a problem, but Ukraine, and Syria for that matter, are OK?

From a practical perspective how would it be different if they invaded a NATO country like Latvia or Estonia? Isn’t it better for us to support Ukraine, with no direct troop involvement than the likes of Latvia or Estonia with troops?

I don’t think we can reliably assert he wouldn’t invade a NATO country such as that. By all accounts the invasion of Ukraine was a strategic error, although it appears the Republicans are determined to bail him out and turn it into a very costly victory for them.

 

You're. Out. Of. Touch. With. Reality.

OK, finally an explanation for your bizarre, twisted sense of history, current events and politics. And for your struggles with the English language.

 

You really aren’t making sense here.

If Ukraine is holding Russia at bay with “army navy surplus crap”, then why in the world would anyone suggest just pulling the plug such that the Russians could instead start making gains or even prevail?

 

What 'gains' could they start making, if they're easily held at bay with drones and A/N surplus?

Who's not making sense?

 

Latvia and Estonia are NATO members.

Practically would be the same as officially.

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We'd be in actual hot war with Russia, no holds barred (ie boots on ground, nukes in the air...).

 

Take heart. Anytime you get a neg rating from one of the Putin clan, you know you are on the intelligent track.

 

Proud member of the Putin clan. Me shaking hands with Putin …

 

...said just another cheerleader for the DOH! Biden fanboi club.

ie--the school of thought that holds that the world is on fire under Doh! Biden... because of Donald Trump.

LMAO!

Neg me up smart guy! Show us how brilliant thou art!

 

Leftist same as ever:

"We are the solutions to the monumental catastrophes we author! Vote for us!"

Lol!

 

compared to the right - who don’t even offer solutions to the catastrophes they author they just move on to the next thing? I have yet to see a coherent Republican option for Russia and Ukraine other than appeasement. Other than that All I see is obstruction and blame.

 

Partisanship is blindness. Both parties are thoroughly en thrall to the Military-Industrial Complex.

 

Resolution is sitting right there for the taking. Russia keeps its hard as hell fought gain of a sliver half the width of Florida, Ukraine remains indy--and not NATO.

It's been there since like half a million Ukranians ago.

Can't go back in time, but the war was easily avoided--had we a leader that didn't caricature mock and double dog dare his opposite (Putin not Trump--DJT is only his political adversary, but you'd never know that by hearing Doh! Biden drool his vitriol out onto his bib...) into going into Ukraine.

The only meeting I recall douchebag Doh! having in lead up to war, was publicized, via zoom meeting, politicized, and used to mock and dddare putin to go into Ukraine.

No back channel communications a la Kennedy, or respectful dialogue behind the scenes, as with most POTII since him...

Nope. Just ham standing performing for his MIC puppet masters.

 

I think Iran’s failed attack on Iran. Shows how far ahead the USA is over every other military. (Except for our allies) let’s empty some warehouses and allow Ukraine to finish demilitarizing Russia.

 

...or the stupidity of Iran telegraphing their move in advance.

I'd be a bit reluctant to extrapolate Iran's primitivity, to say, China.

Not quite ready to figure the Chicoms are quite as transparent as Iran... or Russia.

But hey, I suppose we can hope...

 

LOL, marinated in Slava Ukraini.

 

Looked up Insanity in the dictionary. It is defined as losing one proxy war after another in hopes of finally winning one.

 

WUT? Russia has made some recent gains because Ukraine has started having ammo&supply issues in recent months.

At least part of that is due to the U.S. slowing the pipeline of those surplus weapons and not being able to get it’s political act together in congress. U.S. is not the only country supplying them, but let’s not kid ourselves that without the U.S. that Ukraine could likely stand against Russia. If you acknowledge those weapons were working, then surely you must realize to deprive them of those weapons means that Ukraine would have serious issues?