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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. okeechobee

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    Truth is we don't know yet the full story on the attack, but to answer your rhetorical question, it won't be difficult for Russians to believe Ukraine was involved. And remember, Putin is a master at using these sorts of events to his advantage. His meteoric rise to power was largely fueled by the apartment bombings of 1999, which were allegedly carried out by Chechen separatists.

    Interesting that you would insinuate anybody who eats up government propaganda must be, by default, too stupid to pick up a weapon and fight effectively for his/her country.
     
  2. chemgator

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    Are you smart enough to give any examples of WHY it didn't age well, Clownie?
     
  3. chemgator

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    It's been working out great, until the Cowards of Congress held up aid to Ukraine. Little Ukraine held Russia to a stalemate, taking a massive toll on Russian soldiers and military hardware. Once the aid is resumed, I expect Ukraine to continue to extract a toll on the Russian military. The war will be unlikely to end because of one side pushing the other out of Ukraine--it will likely end because one side collapses economically. And with the support of the west, Ukraine will not collapse first. Russia's economy is much smaller than the economies of Europe and the U.S., and it is under strain from sanctions. Russia will probably collapse within two years.
     
  4. chemgator

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    No, I think your posts are not very accurate. Actually, they are ill-informed. It looks like you might be gullible enough to quote the manufacturer's sales brochure as being factual, even though the country the manufacturer is in is known for corruption and deceptive practices.

    Hilarious. You are actually quoting an organization called "Russia Beyond" for independent evaluation of the capabilities of Russia's latest artillery? Hmmm. Let's think. What in the name "Russia Beyond" could possibly be a clue that the opinion piece could be biased towards Russia? Maybe you could find a western or independent military magazine that extols the values of your Russian artillery and compares it to western artillery, and then we might be impressed. I have already posted credible western articles that say the accuracy of Russian artillery is crap, and you did not dispute them.
     
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  5. vegasfox

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    No comment
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    Two more artificial reefs. those logistics of getting supplies to Crimea just keep getting harder

    Russia's Huge Black Sea Fleet Losses After Two More Ships Hit (msn.com)
    Russia has lost another two of its amphibious vessels in the Black Sea, according to Ukraine, the latest high-profile and bruising loss to Moscow's fleet in the region at Kyiv's hands.

    Ukraine's military said on Sunday that it had successfully attacked two of Russia's large landing ships, the Yamal and the Azov, and a communications hub in the Crimean city of Sevastopol as well as other, unspecified infrastructure facilities.
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    The loss of two more Ropucha-class landing ships adds to the punishing losses Ukraine has inflicted on Russia's Black Sea fleet based at the Crimean peninsula. Moscow has controlled Crimea for a decade, but Ukraine has vowed to reclaim the territory.
     
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  7. vegasfox

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    Somebody should.
    The your clueless posts on this thread.
    You'll have to live wi
     
  8. duggers_dad

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    It’s no use. Bunch of crazy MAGA-type election deniers on this thread.
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    Perish the thought. Better to block people and proceed blithely …

     
  10. duggers_dad

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    Minor correction: it’s America’s war. We’re just using Ukrainians to fight it.

    Also, we’re the 62nd happiest nation on earth.
     
  11. chemgator

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    Wrong. It's not America's war. What does the U.S. have to gain by winning it, compared to what Ukraine and Russia have to gain from winning it? Ukraine is fighting for its freedom and independence. Both Ukraine and Russia are fighting for $12 trillion in mineral deposits, modern steel manufacturing, and control of some of the world's best farmland, not to mention access to a warm-water port. The U.S. gets to reduce defense spending over the next decade if their side wins. The U.S. gets to deal with a moderately less dangerous world for the next couple decades if their side wins. Nowhere near the same level of motivation as people fighting for their lives or fighting for a major conquest.

    As to why the U.S. is not all that happy compared to other countries, with great abundance comes great responsibilities. Let's see if you can figure that out on your own.
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    LOL, Ukraine gave its sovereignty to the US years ago.
     
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  13. chemgator

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    It's amazing what people will vote for when you put a gun to their head, isn't it?
     
  14. chemgator

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    Can you quote an article NOT written by a deranged psychopath to support this claim?

    Small-minded people often issue declarations of misguided opinion as if they were fact, with no argument to support them. When the facts aren't there, that's about all one can do (besides accepting the truth).
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    LOL, coming from the brain which region that assimilates context has been destroyed by war fever. Putin just woke up angry one morning and planned to conquer the world by inserting 75k troops into Ukraine.
     
  16. uftaipan

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    Well, yes. But more practically it’s amazing what the people left over will vote for after you’ve made refugees or corpses of the opposition. Give me the right army, and I could have a Protestant majority in the Vatican. Watch how fast the Curia vote away papal infallibility. But the bigger question would be, how accepting do you think the rest of the Catholic world would be of the free and fair election I just held?
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    seems like those storm shadows also found a major russian recon ship. two landing ships, major recon ship, and fleet communications HQ all taken out in one night, less than a week after Putin changed fleet leaders..welcome to the war..

    Putin’s $100,000,000 spy ship taken out by massive missile strike (msn.com)

    Another Russian spy warship has been damaged in a missile strike by Ukraine – meaning Vladimir Putin has lost more than a quarter of his naval fleet in the war.‌ The 312-foot-long Ivan Khurs reconnaissance ship was ‘hit by two missiles at once’ in the annexed naval port Sevastopol and heavily damaged, according to Russian media outlet ASTRA

    It comes after two earlier strikes on two large landing ships in Vladimir Putin’s Black Sea Fleet – the Yamal and Azov, each worth an eyewatering £170 million.‌ Ukraine fired 18 missiles – believed to be a combination of Anglo-French Storm Shadow and SCALPs – at Sevastopol in the biggest onslaught yet on the annexed city

    ‌Eleven of the missiles were shot down by Russian air defences, but seven hit targets which reportedly included the fleet’s main communications centre.‌ Ukraine’s Armed Forces strategic communications said on Sunday both the Yamal and Azov warships had been hit, but neglected to mention the Ivan Khurs, a longtime target
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    sounds like a ripe target.

    Ukrainian military reportedly causes massive fuel tank backlog on Crimean Bridge (msn.com)


    A queue of thousands of railroad cars has amassed at the entrance to the Crimean Bridge, some waiting for as long as six months, as reported by Russian business outlet Kommersant on March 25th.

    The Russian North Caucasian Railway has accumulated 2,500 loaded tankers carrying oil products due to restrictions on the passage of dangerous goods across the Crimean Bridge and the need to wait for ferries and tankers to arrive.

    This issue was deliberated at a meeting of a working group under the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade on March 15th, as per the minutes cited by the newspaper.
     
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  19. vegasfox

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    That’s a shame.
     
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