War in Ukraine

All of this is well-documented and wasn’t kept a secret by the Russians. We have been attempting to co-opt a Western friendly government in Kyiv for a long time. All you have to do is read up on Victoria Nuland’s past and understand this has been in the making for years. Putin’s move on Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea was in direct response to Maidan. This isn’t about conquest for Russia.

It actually goes a long way in explaining why Russia’s military hasn’t performed so well. They are responding, not plotting. If they were plotting conquest, they would have not waited so long on partial mobilization. If you stick your head in the sand and ignore America’s involvement in Ukraine prior to February 2022, then sure, I could better understand your take. But the goal here of the forum should be to look at an entire picture and not just one clip of time and from one bias only.

Similar to OBL, while what he did was heinous, if we only start the story on September 11, 2001, we fail to understand what led to those attacks. You have to look at everything that led up to it. That is, unless you want to be a one-dimensional thinker, which would be saddening.

 

In the interest of accuracy, it was more like two months, depending on what “complete” means.
Two days to achieve air superiority. Two weeks to complete encirclement of Kyiv and blockade Odessa. Two months to reach the borders of Moldova and NATO countries to cut off external supply. Now how long they thought it would take for Kyiv and other pockets of organized resistance to surrender, I don’t have that.

 

I read this several times. You might’ve forgotten, so I’ll remind you. RUSSIA INVADED. They mobilized, and then invaded a foreign country. They weren’t “responding;” they were ATTACKING, belligerently,purposefully, strategically and with malice.

It’s the one fact that the Russian-propagandists can’t change, even though you strive so ardently to forget and misdirect.

 

Welp, as they say … I stand corrected. And thank you.

 

What a proving ground this has been for drone warfare. A lot of expertise has built up in the planning and operational phases. The US might be able to improve from Ukrainian drone consultants when this is all over.

 

The war in Ukraine is almost over and it's ending on Russia's terms. Exactly what the real experts were saying would happen from the beginning. This was was over before it began. Half a million Ukrainian and Russian dead. For what?

 

What do we say, boys and girls? Should we just surrender on this guy’s word? He seems legit.

 

If Ukraine loses, it will almost certainly be from a lack of ammunition, not a lack of soldiers or fighting spirit or leadership or poor tactics. The blame for that will be on the United States Congress.

No real experts predicted that Ukraine would hold their own against Russia for so long, much less dominate the Russian military like they have.

 

No chance of him being a Russian propaganda-monkey, that's for sure.

 

Seriously? That’s a guy you want to argue with?

 

The same "real experts" that @duggers_dad keeps citing? The ones who predicted that the war would be over by the summer of 2022? In response to your question "for what?", maybe because Vladimir Putin made a massive miscalculation when he decided to invade Ukraine in the first place. I'm sure that he anticipated that a Russian puppet would be living in the presidential palace in Kyiv within weeks of the invasion setting the stage for reincorporation of Ukraine into greater Russia as it was in the Soviet Union and under the Czars.

 

Bro, you need to just hit the Funny button and move on. That is clearly not a serious character with serious words to bring to this discussion.

 

Agree. Have to confess to being hooked by the troll.

 

The United States Congress are merely representatives of their constituents and their constituents don’t want to fund the war in Ukraine anymore. Hence, the shift of support away from more funding you’re seeing. So, your problem is really with the American people and it’s so troubling that such a patriot like you is so angry at the American people. It’s almost like you hate America, but I know that’s not true. You’re the ultimate patriot. Nobody could ever question your loyalty to America or the Constitution.

 

Oh no!! Another doubter!

 

What if duggar developed a new personality and screen name? He has not shown any clear signs of schizophrenia, but I wouldn't put it past him.

 

Oh, dear Lord. That guy said Ukraine is on the verge of losing, as in any day now. Even you don’t believe that. Ukraine clearly has a lot of fight left in it by any objective measure. We aren’t even at a point where one could reasonably say the momentum is changing in Russia’s favor. No reasonable person could take an assessment like his seriously, even if you think in the long-term that Russia would inevitably win if the war could continue for years and years.

 

The dimwitted republicans in Congress are playing politics with Ukraine's freedom (and Ukrainian lives), hoping that they can somehow make Biden look bad in an election year, or force him to waste money on immigration and Trump's foolish border wall. This is not about "representing the American people" or doing what's right for America. It's not about being a patriot. It's about using your brain and doing what's right for America's future. Republicans had (or could have had) a significant win when they persuaded Biden to only provide weapons to Ukraine and not cash, but they could not settle for a significant win--they wanted a grand slam win for their party against the democrats.

Working class Americans are often ignorant of what drives our economy and our success in the world. It isn't the big military wins, or keeping Mexicans out of the U.S. It's free trade. It's maintaining the global peace through strength. It's supporting freedom worldwide. It's maintaining a strong economy with controlled inflation and GDP growth. It's education and innovation. It's providing opportunity, even for immigrants.

It is also the knowledge that whenever a country anywhere in the world gets out of line and starts invading other countries, the U.S. will have to deal with that country sooner or later, and knowing the costs will be far less if we deal with it sooner rather than later. The U.S. has always been intelligent enough (since WWII) to understand this lesson, until now. If Matt Gaetz and his colleagues would wear a dunce cap, it would be easier to accept his ineptitude at governance.

Why you take the position you take, I can't imagine. It's almost like you hate world peace.

 

I thought I was the designated poster for arguing with psychotics and delusionals?

 

Russian lawmakers want to bring back "work troops", which is an old Soviet practice that has city dwellers being drafted to volunteer to provide labor in farms. This is apparently to compensate for widespread "drunkenness" among farmers that is reducing the crop yields. WTH? It's being marketed as "agri-tourism". Hmmm . . . should be popular . . . or not. Another benefit for Mother Russia is that it will remind intellectuals (presumably some that might be objecting to the war a little too loudly) that Russia "can do whatever it wants with them." You know, like a cat playing with mice.

Russian lawmakers want to revive Soviet practice of free 'work troops' to compensate for labor shortages