War in Ukraine

This just in: Germans humiliated by secret plan by British to send more Storm Shadow missiles to Ukraine. Someone may have talked. German politicians are starting to ridicule Sgt. Schultz. Even the Green Party is making fun of him.

German politicians ridicule Taurus missile swap idea: 'Embarrassing'

 

Still waiting for a coherent explanation as to how Russia expanding, taking over other nations, and growing in power is somehow in the national interests of the USA.

 

You're working awfully hard to justify what amounts to a preemptive strike and preemptive strikes are almost always a bad idea.

 

Do you drink the Kool Aid or shoot it intravenously?

 

You lost me at "you still don't understand".

Such pompous arrogance.

I understand perfectly well

I disagree with your OPINION.

That YOUR rigid dogmatism fails to allow for reasonable disagreement is YOUR character flaw.

There's a word for that. It's called immaturity

 

I rest my case. Still waiting....

 

Yeah, we've never conquered Russia in a proxy war before. Except for the one time we got into a proxy war with them, we did sort of conquer them. So we have only been 100% successful in our proxy wars against Russia to date.

If you are going to claim that your government is lying to us, you should at least be able to tell us what the lies are.

No, supplying Ukraine with weapons and ammo is not "American adventurism". Most of the advanced nations in the world are trying to help Ukraine defeat Russia, so there is a lot more than America involved in this. We just happen to be the country that has the most, so we are expected to provide the most. Duh. The U.S. did nothing to force Russia into invading Crimea in 2014, or Ukraine in 2022. Providing weapons is not an "adventure". Sending U.S. troops in might be an adventure, but there are no plans to do that. This is all because of Vladimir Putin's adventurism, not ours. He authorized an invasion of a country that was not threatening him in any way. Even the "threat" of Ukraine joining NATO was not a real threat to Russia. All it would do is take away the option of Russia invading Ukraine if Ukraine were in NATO. Putin thinks he has a right to invade Ukraine anytime he feels like it, but that does not make it correct or legal or moral.

 

No, I don't believe you do understand. In a previous post, you wanted to help Ukraine after the southern border "problem" was resolved. What good would it do to offer help to a dead and conquered nation in another couple (or several) years down the road? Russia would thank you for whatever you sent to Kiev at that time, but you wouldn't be sending it to Ukraine because Ukraine would CEASE TO EXIST. You probably failed to think before you spoke (and I'm being charitable here). Hilarious that the rigid dogmatist is defending his weak arguments by accusing others of . . . rigid dogmatism. (Such pompous ignorance.) See, what I used on you just there is something called "logic". That is what makes up effective arguments. Not bringing in your slutty mistresses and critter infestations into a story, although it is always interesting to hear the trailer-trash perspective.

 

It was not a preemptive strike when Reagan sent Stinger missiles into Afghanistan to defeat the USSR, and it isn't a preemptive strike now. We are not striking Russia, we are providing weapons and ammunition to help Ukraine defend itself. If anyone made a preemptive strike in this conflict, it's Russia. What we're doing is RESPONDING to Russia's preemptive strike. If you don't RESPOND when someone does something wrong and profits from it, they will do it AGAIN. Eventually, it becomes a problem that you cannot ignore (see: Hitler, Adolf).

You are not working hard enough to justify your definition of U.S. assistance to Ukraine as a "preemptive strike". I know your propaganda sources probably told you this, but that doesn't make it true.

 

Ukraine attacks engineering unit building a railway bridge that would connect Donetsk and Russia, destroying any chance of completing the bridge in the near future.

Ukraine ends Russian dreams to connect Donetsk to Russia by rail after effective rail bridge strike

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...s-critical-moment-plan-b-possible-2024-01-25/

This shit is just really sad. Not only does the US actually need some kind of legislation on immigration, but if Trump kills that and aid to Ukraine it's just a double whammy.

Ukraine Invasion Day 701: death from above
Here's stuff on the actual war if anyone cares anymore. Feel like the thread has devolved again

 

Reagan sending Stinger missiles to Osama Bin Laden is a great example of preemptive strike success. Well done, sir.

 

You are quite the clown tonight. No, sending Afghanistan missiles was not a preemptive strike. It was a success, however. The goal was to defeat the Russians, and that certainly happened. I would say it was more successful than anyone's wildest imagination, as the Soviet economy collapsed. The mistake was not sending Afghanistan any aid AFTER the war. Bin Laden would never have been able to reside in Afghanistan (and operate Al Qaeda training camps) if the Taliban were not in power, and the Taliban would never have risen to power if we helped rebuild Afghanistan under Bush, Sr. Sometimes the key is to learn the right lessons from an event, not the wrong ones.

Poorly done, sir!

 

20/20 hindsight makes everyone a genius except for you.

 

Russia claims a need for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss the downing of its IL-76 aircraft, allegedly with the bodies of 65 Ukrainian prisoners of war. Remarkable that they are so concerned about the well-being of Ukrainian prisoners. The meeting has to be delayed a couple days, according to the Kremlin, because they have not finished staging the bodies.

Also, Lavrov would like Ukraine to explain exactly how they keep shooting down Russia's combat aircraft.

Russia seeks emergency UN Security Council session on plane crash

 

Ukrainian drones hit Rosneft refinery in Russia - source (msn.com)

Ukrainian drones attacked a Rosneft-owned oil refinery in southern Russia in the latest such strike on Russian energy infrastructure, a Ukrainian source said on Thursday.

The attack caused a fire overnight at the export-oriented unit in the town of Tuapse, but local Russian officials said early on Thursday that it was extinguished.

 

And if Reagan didn't send the stingers to Afghanistan there would probably still be a Soviet Union.

 

And they are scared sh!tless by them. We send in 40-year-old military equipment and it is devastating against Russia's latest and greatest hardware. The Chinese are probably terrified beyond reason to think about what our latest and greatest weapons could do.

 

Putin gets into a fight with his banker lady over how to limit the damage to the Russian economy. There could be a balcony in her future . . .

The Russian government and its central bank are publicly disagreeing on how to handle the economy